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Obama's Mandate for Nationalized Same-Sex Marriage
Townhall.com ^ | October 22, 2008 | Terence Jeffrey

Posted on 10/22/2008 5:28:21 AM PDT by Kaslin

Appearing Monday on "The Ellen DeGeneres Show," Joe Biden made the most high-profile statement yet of the Obama-Biden position on same-sex marriage.

DeGeneres asked where he stands on California's Proposition 8, a 14-word proposal that says, "Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California."

Those exact words were enacted originally as a California statute in 2000, when 61 percent of voters approved Proposition 22, the California Defense of Marriage Act. This May, in a 4-3 decision, the California Supreme Court threw out Proposition 22, declaring same-sex marriage a "right" under the California Constitution.

Proposition 8 would amend that constitution to include the 14 words Proposition 22 originally made state law. If Proposition 8 wins, same-sex marriage will be prohibited in California. If Proposition 8 loses, same-sex marriage will be permitted. In other words, if you are against same-sex marriage, you want Proposition 8 to win. If you are for same-sex marriage, you want Proposition 8 to lose. There is no middle ground.

In the vice presidential debate, moderator Gwen Ifill asked Biden directly whether he supports same-sex marriage.

"Do you support gay marriage?" she asked.

"No, Barack Obama nor I support redefining from a civil side what constitutes marriage," said Biden. "We do not support that."

Were this actually Biden and Obama's position, they would be for Proposition 8. But they are not.

"If I lived in California, I'd clearly vote against Prop. 8," Biden told DeGeneres.

The actual Obama-Biden position on same-sex marriage goes beyond merely opposing Proposition 8. In fact, their position sets the stage for liberal federal judges to impose same-sex marriage nationwide by forcing states that have passed their own acts in defense of marriage to recognize same-sex marriages contracted in states such as California, where state judges declare a state "right" to same-sex marriage.

In June, Obama sent a letter to the San Francisco-based Alice B. Toklas Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transgender Democratic Club. It was read at the club's June 29 meeting and reprinted in full in the July 2 edition of the San Francisco Chronicle under the headline "Obama opposes proposed ban on gay marriage."

Yet that was not all Obama said he opposes -- or supports -- in this letter. He also declared that he opposes all state constitutional amendments that limit marriage to a man and a woman, that he opposes a federal amendment that would prevent states from being forced to recognize same-sex marriages, that he wants to repeal the federal Defense of Marriage Act, and that he wants to fully open the military to gays.

"I want to congratulate all of you who have shown your love for each other by getting married these last few weeks," Obama wrote. "I support extending fully equal rights and benefits to same sex couples under both state and federal law. That is why I support repealing the Defense of Marriage Act and the 'Don't Ask Don't Tell' policy, and the passage of laws to protect LGBT Americans from hate crimes and employment discrimination. And that is why I oppose the divisive and discriminatory efforts to amend the California Constitution, and similar efforts to amend the U.S. Constitution or those of other states."

To make clear that he wants no distinction in law between traditional married couples and same-sex couples -- including in laws regarding the adoption of babies -- Obama sent a second letter Aug. 1 to the Family Equality Council, a group that says it envisions "a country that celebrates a diversity of family constellations."

"We also have to do more to support and strengthen LGBT families," Obama told this council. "And that's why we have to extend equal treatment in our family and adoption laws."

The federal Defense of Marriage Act that Obama wants repealed does two things. It defines marriage for federal purposes as the union of a man and a woman, and it says states will not be forced to recognize same-sex marriages contracted in other states, as they ordinarily would under the Constitution's "Full Faith and Credit Clause."

The Full Faith and Credit Clause requires all states to recognize the judicial acts of other states but says, "Congress may by general Laws prescribe the Manner in which such Acts, Records and Proceedings shall be proved, and the Effect thereof."

If the policies Obama supports come to pass, California will have same-sex marriage, and the federal law protecting other states from recognizing California's same-sex marriages will be repealed.

Then it would be up to the sort of federal judges Obama would appoint to decide whether the Full Faith and Credit Clause -- barring an act of Congress saying otherwise -- would require every other state in the union to accept California's marriage law as their own.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: 2008; enda; homosexualagenda; obama

1 posted on 10/22/2008 5:28:21 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

Ah yes, with the great lord 0bama in power,

the left can just DICTATE that all of our traditions and values be swept aside.

BRING ON THE RAMPANT INFANTICIDE!
BRING ON THE DEBAUCHERY!


2 posted on 10/22/2008 5:29:59 AM PDT by MrB (0bama supporters: What's the attraction? The Marxism or the Infanticide?)
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To: MrB

Don’t forget the free, legal drugs!


3 posted on 10/22/2008 5:33:48 AM PDT by kimmie7 (I'm voting for the woman. All the others PALIN comparison.)
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To: Kaslin

ah so he is against all that so in essence he is against the will of the people too

now there was me thinking the Govt works for us not them telling us how we should think

silly me

maybe the message will get out to those older veterans how obama wants these homo’s in to the military openly.


4 posted on 10/22/2008 5:38:01 AM PDT by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman no sick MA,CT sham marriage end racism end affirmative action)
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To: Kaslin
The Obama-Reid-Pelosi triumvirate will be so destructive that our country will not recover for decades. Obama/Biden never commit in the tough issues; they want to fool voters from both sides. If any person doubts their hard Left agenda then that person needs to buy a brain cell.
5 posted on 10/22/2008 5:43:06 AM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: manc
he is against the will of the people

Leftists/"Liberals" KNOW BETTER than the "will of the people"

6 posted on 10/22/2008 5:49:10 AM PDT by MrB (0bama supporters: What's the attraction? The Marxism or the Infanticide?)
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To: Kaslin
Yep, I remember this when it first came out and then when Obama was at Table Rock (I think that was the name of the church) he out and out lied and said he believed marriage should be defined between a man and a woman and states should have the right to choose.

It is also on record his wife saying the same thing.

There seems to be no stopping this man and I'm very concerned. Anyone with a brain can see that his views have changed since he primary!

And Biden as VP - he is going to be a laughing stock as VP and it seems like the majority of the US think it is just fine.

7 posted on 10/22/2008 5:49:45 AM PDT by Glacier Honey
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To: Kaslin

It amazes me how half the people in this country are just as sick as he is.


8 posted on 10/22/2008 5:50:13 AM PDT by garylmoore (Faith is the assurance of things unseen.)
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To: Glacier Honey
Anyone with a brain can see that his views forked-tongued, sales-pitch, con-man, power-craving, America-hating, mooohamed-approved lies have changed since the primary!

There, fixed it.
9 posted on 10/22/2008 6:03:05 AM PDT by LearsFool ("Thou shouldst not have been old, till thou hadst been wise.")
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To: Kaslin

10 posted on 10/22/2008 6:16:12 AM PDT by doug from upland (8 million views of .HILLARY! UNCENSORED - put some ice on it, witch)
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To: Kaslin; jude24

Question for legal eagles:

Does federal law trump state constitutions? If yes, please explain why and what US Constitution article makes it so.


11 posted on 10/22/2008 8:28:54 AM PDT by Jacquerie (Acorn & CRA - Reparations by other means.)
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To: Jacquerie

Yes, Federal law may trump a state constitution under Art. 4, Paragraph 2. Additionally, the Federal government is empowered under Amendment 14, section 5 to enforce equal protection where the States are unable or unwilling to do so. Equal protection is the argument homosexual marriage activists generally rely upon.


12 posted on 10/22/2008 10:15:30 AM PDT by jude24
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To: jude24
Okay. There really is little limit to what the federal courts can do or impose on the country. ‘Tis a pity.
13 posted on 10/22/2008 1:38:20 PM PDT by Jacquerie (Acorn & CRA - Reparations by other means.)
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