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Biden Defies Pope and Bishops:Now He is Pro-Gay Marriage
Catholic League For Religious and Civil Rights ^ | October 21, 2008 | Susan A. Fan, i Director of Communications

Posted on 10/21/2008 8:21:23 AM PDT by adc

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To: demsux
He’ll just send in a big donation and he will be able to continue calling himself a Catholic.

I seriously doubt that Biden sends much to the Church at all. Those big government Dems rarely do. Why should they give money to the Church to help poor people, since they expect the govt. to do it all through the programs they set up?

Oh, and he can call himself Catholic all day long, but it doesn't mean he is a FAITHFUL Catholic.

41 posted on 10/21/2008 9:34:21 AM PDT by SuziQ
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To: ArrogantBustard
So maybe it's time for Rush, Hannity, Greta, Laura, etc to interview some of these Bishops; is there a law against them speaking publicly on matters of the Catholic faith?

Bypass the MSM.

If not them, EWTN’s Raymond Arroyo. http://www.raymondarroyo.com/

42 posted on 10/21/2008 9:35:20 AM PDT by adc (Rush '08All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently oppos)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade
Most Catholics will vote Obama because he’s black and a democrat.

Even the polls say the Catholic vote is going for McCain.

43 posted on 10/21/2008 9:39:13 AM PDT by Campion
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To: adc
If my name was "His Emminence, Arrogant Cardinal Bustard, Archbishop of Blagh" ...

I'd have one of my lackeys contact Rush, Hannity, Greta, et al., with the suggestion that if they invited me on their show, I'd be happy to accept.

44 posted on 10/21/2008 9:39:35 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
If O-B wins and enacts FOCA and repeals the Hyde Amendment, this needs to go all the way to Rome. The time for playing games is over. FOCA and the Hyde Amendment openly persecute faithful Catholics. FOCA will drive Catholic doctors & hospitals out of business.

If the Church won't excommunicate "Catholics" who openly persecute the Catholic Church, what is excommunication for?

45 posted on 10/21/2008 9:41:55 AM PDT by Campion
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To: Campion
what is excommunication for?

When was the last time we had a high profile, public excommunication?

(We need a few, now. Pour encourager les autres.)

46 posted on 10/21/2008 9:45:26 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Pyro7480
Your bias is showing.

My bias??? And what bias would that be????

That of a lifelong tithing Catholic that just happens to have as a co-parishoner (IN GOOD STANDING) of Claire (the baby killer) McCaskill...

That of a lifelong tithing Catholic that has a parish next to ours that includes as parishoners (IN GOOD STANDING) of the largest organized crime family in the area, who BTW the granddad of which has been to Rome to be "knighted" or whatever they call it due to his large donations.

Yeah, my bias could be mistaken for my disgust and embarrasment at my Church's current position of allowing just ANYONE to publicly claim inclusion in the Church no matter what their true PUBLIC beleifs are.

47 posted on 10/21/2008 9:45:31 AM PDT by demsux
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To: demsux

You were way too flippant with that post, which could have easily been mistaken for that of a cynical anti-Catholic. I might have overreacted with my response, and you raise good points. However, we shouldn’t be surprised that there are weak bishops in the Church (there have been so since the beginning). These kind of things come in waves. This is one way God separates the wheat from the chaff.


48 posted on 10/21/2008 9:51:23 AM PDT by Pyro7480 (This Papist for Palin ask everyone to pray the Rosary for our country!)
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To: ArrogantBustard

“I’d have one of my lackeys contact Rush, Hannity, Greta, et al., with the suggestion that if they invited me on their show, I’d be happy to accept.”

LOL. Nothing ventured. Seriously, I think I’ll call my own to suggest it.


49 posted on 10/21/2008 9:52:24 AM PDT by adc (Rush '08All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently oppos)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Is the Bishop likely to take action?

Why/Why not?

What does it take to be kicked out of the church in toto?

I suspect I know but I’ll restrain myself.


50 posted on 10/21/2008 9:59:32 AM PDT by Quix (GLOBALIST PLANS FM 1900 ON #76 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2031425/posts?page=77#77)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade

I’m still praying and working . . . for Mcwhat’sHisName and Palin getting in.

Certainly the GPTB have scheduled what you outlined regardless of who gets in.

Obumma would make it worse and arrive at the speed of light ASAP.


51 posted on 10/21/2008 10:01:14 AM PDT by Quix (GLOBALIST PLANS FM 1900 ON #76 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2031425/posts?page=77#77)
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To: adc

One of our number . . . asserts startlingly that

any Christian voting for Obumma is in danger of hell fire as a consequence.

I’m increasingly convinced he’s likely more right than I might have suspected.

The clueless folks at the college are absolutely uninformed treasonous idiots . . . some calling themselves Christian.


52 posted on 10/21/2008 10:04:09 AM PDT by Quix (GLOBALIST PLANS FM 1900 ON #76 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2031425/posts?page=77#77)
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To: Quix
Is the Bishop likely to take action?

I won't be surprised if Bp. Wuerl has something to say. I'd like to see formal excommunications. I don't expect it. Among other reasons I don't expect it is that I do expect protestant Americans to screech and holler about those wretched papists being beholden to a foreign potentate, if the bishop did excommunicate a few deserving politicians. The legacy of Thomas Nast, along with the eruption of bigotry against Al Smith and JFK is not forgotten.

Wikipedia (yeah, I know) has a list of folks who have been formally excommunicated. No doubt some of your heroes are on that list ... but so are folks like Fidel Castro and the entire membership of the pro-abortion group "Call to Action".

What does it take to be kicked out of the church in toto?

What, exactly, do you mean by that? Even the most hardened, excommunicated sinner is welcome to repent and return to the Church. Does the Good Shepherd say of the one lost sheep "Aw, the heck with it ... I'll just hang out with the 99"? To ask the question is to answer it.

I suspect I know but I’ll restrain myself.

Since your demonstrated knowledge and understanding of the Church is worse than merely zero, 'restrain[ing] yourself' is a brilliant idea.

53 posted on 10/21/2008 10:20:55 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Of course I’m in favor of repentance etc.

I have not a hint of an expectation that any of the treasonous politicos can even wrap their egos around the concept.


54 posted on 10/21/2008 10:32:45 AM PDT by Quix (GLOBALIST PLANS FM 1900 ON #76 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2031425/posts?page=77#77)
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To: Quix
No Catholic authority would ever condone such a statement. Please do not assign some nutcase's opinion to Catholics in general.

When I said that no Catholic would vote for Obama, I meant that some who call themselves Catholics do not feel the need to follow the Pope. They don't know that laws of the Magesterium do not allow for personal interpretation. IMHO, in their case, ignorance is an excuse, not a condemnation.

55 posted on 10/21/2008 10:36:26 AM PDT by adc (Rush '08All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently oppos)
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To: Quix
I have not a hint of an expectation ...

In the ways of the world, nor do I.

But with God, all things are possible.

When I get really annoyed with one of those folks, I offer a prayer for his conversion. Think "Damascus Road" ...

56 posted on 10/21/2008 10:41:49 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: adc

Hmmmm . . .

some I pray similarly for . . . Most I just leave to God’s wisdom.


57 posted on 10/21/2008 10:46:09 AM PDT by Quix (GLOBALIST PLANS FM 1900 ON #76 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2031425/posts?page=77#77)
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To: adc

Joe Biden = Joe “the Dumber”


58 posted on 10/21/2008 11:49:43 AM PDT by syriacus (The MSM has questioned Obama for 2 years. It took a plumber to get Obama to admit he's a socialist.)
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To: RexBeach
Is nothing sacred to this man?

Sure there is!

His power.

59 posted on 10/21/2008 12:12:57 PM PDT by TChris (So many useful idiots...)
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To: Forward the Light Brigade
Will disagree with you entirely. Having attended the official Boston Men's Catholic Conference for years with thousands in attendance I can assure you no such liberal agenda was present. The speakers all true Catholics which means conservative. Speakers over the years spoke against gay marriage, against abortion and against politicians who take communion and support abortion. All this to thunderous applause.
60 posted on 10/21/2008 2:50:39 PM PDT by warsaw44
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