Posted on 10/21/2008 8:21:23 AM PDT by adc
On today’s episode of “Ellen,” Joe Biden told Ellen DeGeneres “that if I lived in California, I would vote against Proposition 8.” This initiative reads, “Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California.” Yet in his debate with Sarah Palin on October 2, Biden said that “Barack Obama nor I support redefining from a civil side what constitutes marriage.”
Catholic League president Bill Donohue weighed in on this today:
“Proposition 8 is a civil initiative that would secure marriage as an institution that is exclusively between a man and a woman, and Joe Biden told Ellen DeGeneres that he is opposed to that measure. In other words, Biden did not tell the truth in his debate with Sarah Palin. He cannot logically be opposed to both gay marriage and Proposition 8, but that is exactly what he is trying to get away with. More important, Biden is openly defying both the pope and the bishops.
“Last year, in his Apostolic Exhortation Sacramentum Caritatis, Pope Benedict XVI pointedly said the following about people like Joe Biden: ‘Worship pleasing to God can never be a purely private matter…it is especially incumbent upon those who, by virtue of their social or political position, must make decisions regarding fundamental values such as respect for human life, its defence from conception to natural death, the family built upon marriage between a man and a woman....These values are not negotiable.’ (My emphasis.)
“Last year, the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops issued Forming Consciences for Faithful Citizenship wherein it said that the family based on marriage between a man and a woman ‘should be defended and strengthened, not redefined or undermined by permitting same-sex unions or other distortions of marriage.’
“Biden is in a major jam. He needs to hold a press conference explaining his irreconcilable moral positions, and why he has chosen to defy the pope and the bishops.”
Perhaps (I'm not questioning your statement, just whether it's on purpose). There's two schools of thought on what he said: 1) Obama's election will cause him to soon be tested and he'll cave. Americans won't be happy with his actions; 2) Instead of caving in he'll act over-the-top in a way his supporters won't understand/agree with.
I wonder he may have meant it the second way, but isn't insightful enough to see how else his remarks could be taken. Since Madeline Albright backed him up this morning, I am leaning more toward the second explanation than ever.
INDEED. INDEED.
“Where is the Vatican on this?”
Very recent comment made by Biden. . . I would think the USCCB will respond to this.
Not likely, ol’ Joe is the stingiest senator in the US. He gave $995 last year and $380 the year before, for a grand whopping total of about 0.15% of his income. That includes donations to his church.
SO NOW when he is not in front of the “bitter people” he is an advocate for homosexual marriage.
Yes, Biden thinks america is THAT stupid.
THIS IS ONE FOR RUSH!
Obama’s a liar too.
Obama has come out against Prop 8, in effect saying he is for gay marriage.
They are against defending traditional marriage. Period.
BITTER PEOPLE II
one thing to the flyover country, another to the california effetes.
Joe Biden is technically a resident of Delaware, although he lives and works in Washington, DC. This would seem to place him within the jurisdiction of both Archbishop Donald Wuerl (of Washington, DC) and Bishop W. Francis Malooly (of Wilmington, DE). Both have already spoken against him several times.
I believe "salvation" maintains a list ...
LOL! Didn’t you hear how Biden donated very little money over the years to charity? Your bias is showing.
Some Bishops, OTOH, will condemn him.
Again.
he needed to be vetted better.
In his marriage is Biden “a” or “B”?
Yes, true, but it is the voices of the individual bishops that can and should be heard.
Not only those within Biden’s jurisdiction, but others throughout the country.
I’m sure those voices will be heard now.
MSM will either ignore them or misrepresent them.
Trying to get the attention off of Joe the plumber/every working American.
Most Catholics will vote Obama because he’s black and a democrat. The power of the Roman Catholic Church is over even over abortion. Biden can thumb his nose at the Pope and the Bishops and feel no pain for it in todays “Feel Good” America. We deserve the likes of Obama. Just watch when the Socialists start chopping the church and seizing wealth and putting everyone in camps. Its coming folks. Two years of H*ll. America will be a broke 3rd world state with a president for life.
Disagree, ALL Catholics will vote McCain. Sorry to say, the Obama voters are not Catholics.
So is Biden going to stuff his Rosary Beads down the Pope’s throat, since the Pope says that Biden is wrong in his positions?
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