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Presidential Debate #3 Live Thread - 9:00 Eastern
The Collective Wisdom of Free Republic ^ | 10/15/08 | TonyInOhio

Posted on 10/15/2008 2:02:46 PM PDT by TonyInOhio

Let's light this candle!



TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
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To: Finatic

Bookmark.


6,681 posted on 10/16/2008 5:40:50 AM PDT by condi2008
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To: Girlene

I get confused just reading your posts. Why would I watch TV?

And now I have to ask. A scale? I’m even more confused. Floundering a little, but I’m not going to Carp about.


6,682 posted on 10/16/2008 5:48:33 AM PDT by bigheadfred
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To: Arthur Wildfire! March

When I think about people who refuse to acknowledge the rights of the unborn, I think about the people who refused to acknowledge the rights of American slaves in the nineteenth century. The southern Methodists broke off from the Methodist Church because they tolerated slavery. Those preachers, teachers and congregations thought of themselves as honorable church-respecting, God loving people.

How American blacks can support abortion is mind-jarring for me.


6,683 posted on 10/16/2008 6:00:09 AM PDT by maica (Barack Obama is a Weathermen Project.)
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To: Guenevere

F&F are about all I can watch on Fox lately. I find myself muting more than listening to them


6,684 posted on 10/16/2008 6:01:28 AM PDT by WestCoastGal (READ MY LIPSTICK!!! I'm praying for Sarah Palin - Keep the vultures away from her.)
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To: maica

I don’t believe Reagan was left-handed.


6,685 posted on 10/16/2008 6:12:41 AM PDT by murron (Proud Marine Mom)
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To: Moorings

maybe Ferraro’s son-the “Snowman” —brought some of his Bolivian nose candy over


6,686 posted on 10/16/2008 6:20:43 AM PDT by Mac from Cleveland (Joe Biden behind a microphone is like Ted Kennedy behind a steering wheel)
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To: antceecee

Yes that WAS Carson, California and a very large crowd!!

I was really surprised to see that many in that area........Orange County would be different. :) Many more there I would imagine.


6,687 posted on 10/16/2008 6:24:05 AM PDT by WestCoastGal (READ MY LIPSTICK!!! I'm praying for Sarah Palin - Keep the vultures away from her.)
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To: Yaelle

If Obama did nothing but sing “1000 Bottles of Beer on the Wall,” analysts, and libs would have still said Obama won!


6,688 posted on 10/16/2008 6:37:32 AM PDT by EdnaMode
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To: exit82

Great email. I hope they got a lot of complaints!


6,689 posted on 10/16/2008 6:38:46 AM PDT by EdnaMode
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To: ex-Texan

Obama will win. He has 187 pre pledged electrals from my count.

My state pre pledged our electorals, did yours?

http://www.nationalpopularvote.com/


6,690 posted on 10/16/2008 6:48:46 AM PDT by Calpernia (Hunters Rangers - Raising the Bar of Integrity http://www.barofintegrity.us)
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To: Paul R.
I agree that $12000 sounds high. McCain also disagrees it is too high, but that is the number Obama has been citing so I used it in 'my' example inspired by the American Spectator piece on McCain's plan. McCain claims his plan has be scored as revenue neutral for the government. I don't know whether that is true or not, but Obama hasn't been attacking on that issue. But when has angst over the accuracy of budget scoring ever given us more than heartburn? As best as I can figure he's moving whatever net tax break exists for the business taxes to the personal taxes and averaging it across that somewhat larger population base. Those with gold plated health care plans will lose some benefits to pay for giving some benefits to those who currently have none. McCain did try to make that point last night, and it should sell with Obama leaners if he'd just make it better. Not explaining the plan risks being McCain's final flaw; explaining it should put him over the top as Obama is heavily invested in attacking the plan.

Alas animated gifs are a flaky technology that doesn't work the same for all users in the best of circumstances. I don't know how to make it work better. Making it into a video of a powerpoint presentation would be smoother and probably work for more folks, but I didn't have the time and ability to make that. I hope someone can view my animated gif, improve on it and post it where it can go viral.

6,691 posted on 10/16/2008 6:50:47 AM PDT by JohnBovenmyer
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To: diamond6

Of COURSE McCain won! All these liberal media jerks are just that.

Wait till the election day. Then they can take their phony polls and stuff them!


6,692 posted on 10/16/2008 6:58:40 AM PDT by Hilda
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To: JulienBenda
...You’ve got one shot with the kids, and the better bet, from my perspective, is the private/parochial schools...

That is so true.

6,693 posted on 10/16/2008 7:01:18 AM PDT by relee ('Till the blue skies drive the dark clouds far away)
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To: JohnBovenmyer

For those who can’t view my animated gif, it walks through what would happen with a $12k health plan (Obama’s number) under McCain’s plan. The tax break shifts from the business to the personal side, so the $12k would be given directly to the worker as income to the worker rather than as a benefit. You buy the insurance individually with the $12k and should still be able to benefit from using the insurance pool at work. The $12k in “new” income raises your income tax; I used a 25% marginal rate for the example, giving $3k in new taxes. McCain gives you a $5k tax credit, enough to pay the $3k taxes and to leave $2k left like a health savings account above and beyond what you have now, while having the exact same insurance. Plus, his insurance buying reforms will let many folks get better insurance for the same price or the same insurance package for less money. The numbers Obama used to claim McCain’s plan left “average” folks worse off actually leaves them $2k ahead.


6,694 posted on 10/16/2008 7:04:09 AM PDT by JohnBovenmyer
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To: FlyingEagle

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFlQNtL8F9s


6,695 posted on 10/16/2008 7:11:15 AM PDT by myself6 (.)
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To: Danae

Saw the World Net Daily story yesterday. I hope this gets legs.


6,696 posted on 10/16/2008 7:14:51 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: ari-freedom
"I think he did concede that embryonic research has failed while adult stem cell research is fruitful."

You mean he admitted he was wrong? How compassionate of him.

6,697 posted on 10/16/2008 7:15:48 AM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: mass55th; Jim Robinson; Admin Moderator
The problem is he’s right about Krauthammer. He’s pro embryonic stem cell research

So that makes it ok to act like a DUer and say things about a paraplegiac like "...he wants them to transplant some murdered baby parts in his spine so he'll be able to get an erection again.... I wouldn't just say it to his face, I would happily spit on the reprehensible S.O.B. I'm actually laughing to myself that you would think I would be afraid to say it him?"

You are wrong on merit and substance, but in any case, you really think that's the kind of post we need on FR?

Stem Cell Vindication By Charles Krauthammer: " The verdict is clear: Rarely has a president -- so vilified for a moral stance -- been so thoroughly vindicated. Why? Precisely because he took a moral stance. Precisely because, to borrow Thomson's phrase, Bush was made "a little bit uncomfortable" by the implications of embryonic experimentation."

Disagree with people, fine, but is this really the new norm of discourse for FR?

JimRob, is this how it is now? The AM's have left the post up and not banned the poster, so I guess this is all good in your eyes?

6,698 posted on 10/16/2008 7:20:06 AM PDT by sam_paine (X .................................)
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To: sam_paine

Just hoping to get 7000.


6,699 posted on 10/16/2008 7:32:51 AM PDT by JewishRighter
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To: Right Wing Assault
Before you know it, you'll be the new California. They love moving to nice places and messing them up.

I hear ya! They are moving in droves to the Mountains in southeast Tennessee. They build their mansions and mess up the beautiful forests. They claim to want to get away from the big city to a simpler way of life, then they complain because there are no shopping malls and sushi bars and opera houses. They lobby trying to turn it into just exactly what they left and they bring their stinking politics with them.

6,700 posted on 10/16/2008 7:36:06 AM PDT by beckysueb (Drill here! Drill now!)
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