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Internal Obama Poll Reports He Is Up By 2 In Pennsylvania
Steve Corbett Show ^ | 10/14/08

Posted on 10/14/2008 2:58:15 PM PDT by Born Conservative

Edited on 10/14/2008 5:44:49 PM PDT by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

Steve Corbett, a radio talk show host in Wilkes-Barre/Scranton, received a copy of an internal email sent by Grant Olan who heads the Wilkes-Barre headquarters of the Obama campaign. The email went to 627 Obama campaign volunteers in the Wilkes-Barre Scranton region, saying that Obama Headquarters reported an internal poll which shows that Obama is only 2 points up in Pennsylvania.

Sean Smith, who is heading Obama's Pennsylvania campaign, was interviewed by Steve Corbett via phone at 5:35 today to discuss this. He said that Grant "went rogue", and aknowledged that Grant was "reprimanded" for this. Sean would not deny that the internal poll showed this, and his words were carefully chosen.


TOPICS: Extended News; Politics/Elections; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: 2008polls; corbett; electionpresident; grantolan; internalpoll; obama; pa2008; seansmith; swingstates; talkradio; tossups
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To: eureka!

Your welcome. I sent the link to Drudge and Rush, although I doubt anything will come of it.


161 posted on 10/15/2008 7:38:11 AM PDT by Born Conservative (Visit my blog: Chronic Positivity - http://chronicpositivity.com)
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To: dirknowitzki; kesg; PhiKapMom; LS; Perdogg; smoothsailing; Tribune7; Common Tator; HamiltonJay; ...
-In 2004 Kerry won PA by two points while losing the national vote by 2.5 points. (-4.5; i.e., PA is 4.5 points more Dem than the nation)
-In 2000 Gore carried PA by 4 points while carrying the national vote by a half point. (-3.5)
-In 1996 the Impeached Rapist won PA by 9.2% while winning nationally by 8.5 points (-.7)

So if one safely assumes that PA is about 3 points more Dem than the nation as a whole (as measured by national polls), then a two-point Obama lead in PA spells major trouble for Obama nationally. Think this leaked internal poll is bogus? Then why are all four candidates spending so much time in PA? Why are they spending so much money in PA? We can argue about the particular percentage points, but a reasonable, objective person has to conclude that both campaigns view PA as up for grabs.

And since Ohio tends to be more Republican than PA, it's fair to say that Obama's not doing too well in OH. This is so far supported by somewhat tepid turnout and other word coming out of the Buckeye State.

If the Obamessiah loses OH, his path to the Presidency becomes very narrow. If he loses PA, his journey's over.

162 posted on 10/15/2008 7:50:35 AM PDT by impeachedrapist (Bill Clinton, as Arkansas Attorney General did you make Juanita Broaddrick pay for her rape kit?)
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To: impeachedrapist

Very good analysis. Another thing about PA is that the Clintons for McCain have set up offices in PA and they are out working like crazy to defeat Obama. Think you will see rural PA come out in large numbers to support McCain over Obama. That Berg lawsuit is right there in PA by a Democrat so who knows how much impact that has with the delay tactics of Obama/DNC.

I believe Ohio is going McCain — in fact, I would bet on it. A lot of cities went through the race riots in Ohio and I would be willing to bet that the people who live around Dayton will not forget what it was like. With his campaign people talking riots, whites/Hispanics will not vote for Obama. I grew up there in a solid Republican county just north of Dayton. Suffice it to say Bradley affect is alive and well in Ohio. To this day if I am back in that area, I would never drive through west Dayton — never, ever.


163 posted on 10/15/2008 8:05:48 AM PDT by PhiKapMom ( BOOMER SOONER -- VOTE FOR McCAIN/PALIN2008! LetsGetThisRight.com)
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To: Born Conservative
McCain/Palin can take PA---but only if we work for it.

All PA Freepers should be out there making this happen. To flip PA is to basically win the election for McCain.
164 posted on 10/15/2008 8:11:11 AM PDT by Antoninus (If you're bashing McCain/Palin at this point, you're helping Obama.)
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To: SECURE AMERICA
Being a Pennsylvanian this disgusts me that citizens of my State would hate America so much as to inflict this dangerous socialist on us all.

Make sure they don't. Get out there and volunteer for McCain/Palin in PA!
165 posted on 10/15/2008 8:12:25 AM PDT by Antoninus (If you're bashing McCain/Palin at this point, you're helping Obama.)
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To: PhiKapMom
Here's my take on the Bradley Effect. I think it's exaggerated at best, and a myth at worst. However, I respect other people's opinions, and there is certainly enough data out there to give one pause. (Cause and effect is another story.) But I'm completely ignoring it. If I count on the Bradley Effect and I'm wrong, I have the potential to be bitterly disappointed on Nov. 4th. If I'm right, then there will be ammunition for the Dems and talking heads proclaiming how racist a country we are.

I throw out the Bradley Effect. If it's real, the Obamessiah gets creamed. If it's a myth, I still think based on everything I've seen that McCain/Palin defeat Obama/Biden.

166 posted on 10/15/2008 8:13:11 AM PDT by impeachedrapist (Bill Clinton, as Arkansas Attorney General did you make Juanita Broaddrick pay for her rape kit?)
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To: edh
All we need is a 2% swing over 2004...that is really possible in this state.

With a 2% gap, the race in PA will be decided by which side gets more of their people to show up on election day. That's all it means. The PA race will go to the more motivated side.

167 posted on 10/15/2008 8:15:01 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 ("In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act." -- George Orwell)
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To: Born Conservative

“internal” poll = over-sampling of democrats. Of course that would show Hussein ahead.


168 posted on 10/15/2008 8:17:31 AM PDT by MayflowerMadam (If it's not close, they can't cheat.)
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To: impeachedrapist

One sidenote: 2004 is a bit of a special case. John Kerry was Catholic, and his wife was the widow of one of Pennsylvania’s most popular politicians. Plus, Bush is the type of Republican who simply isn’t going to do as well in PA as McCain. And then there is the Sarah Palin factor, which should work especially well with all those unwashed Steeler fans in Western PA as well as other similar people in NE PA. I’m guessing that all this is worth 2-3 points for McCain, meaning that PA this year will be only very slightly more Democratic than the national average — say a single point. This is all guesswork of course.


169 posted on 10/15/2008 8:17:56 AM PDT by kesg
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To: Born Conservative

When McCain/Palin win this race the media response is going to be well worth putting up with their 24/7 Obama cheerleading.

The Dems will lauch a lawsuit saying Obama couldn’t possibly lose because the polls said he won - LOL


170 posted on 10/15/2008 8:21:53 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: impeachedrapist

Agree McCain/Palin will win without the Bradley factor.


171 posted on 10/15/2008 8:24:23 AM PDT by PhiKapMom ( BOOMER SOONER -- VOTE FOR McCAIN/PALIN2008! LetsGetThisRight.com)
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To: kesg
Your argument is plausible. Kerry (being Catholic and with T. Heinz as his wife) performed only a single point better than Gore. (4.5 vs. 3.5 differential from the national average). So you think another point or two will be made up by Republicans because Bush is not on the ticket, while McCain and Sarah Palin are. Could be. I think McCain has the potential to keep the liberal Pubbies outside of Philly in the GOP column. But Palin has the potential to scare 'em off. So they might cancel each other out.

PA does have a lot of veterans. That almost certainly helped Kerry (did you hear? he was in Vietnam!). And now war hero McCain is going up against a Harvard attorney whose claim to be Commander-in-Chief is that he has executive experience running his own campaign. Mmmm hmmmm.

As long as I see Katie Couric fighting back tears as she announces PA's 21 electoral votes for McCain, I don't really care how it plays out! :-D

172 posted on 10/15/2008 8:25:09 AM PDT by impeachedrapist (Bill Clinton, as Arkansas Attorney General did you make Juanita Broaddrick pay for her rape kit?)
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To: PhiKapMom
Agree McCain/Palin will win without the Bradley factor.

I am in awe of your brilliance! :-)

173 posted on 10/15/2008 8:26:46 AM PDT by impeachedrapist (Bill Clinton, as Arkansas Attorney General did you make Juanita Broaddrick pay for her rape kit?)
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To: Born Conservative

And the welfare DUmmies think that their bozo (Obama) is a shoe in. HIarious. What a bunch a self deluted idiots.


174 posted on 10/15/2008 10:46:08 AM PDT by heatherlund
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To: impeachedrapist

Sarah Palin is going to help McCain primarily in Western Pennslyvania and in the NE part of the state. I happen to have relatives and acquaintances in Pittsburgh who are voting Republican for the first time in their life (they are some of those white Catholic blue collar worker types that we have been hearing so much about). That was before Sarah, and even more strongly so after Sarah. Yes, it’s anecdotal, but I have known these people for decades and this is the first election in their lifetime where they are voting for a Republican for President.

Good thing you mentioned the veterans. Many veterans were never comfortable with Bush because he served in the Texas National Guard. McCain is an entirely different story for them.


175 posted on 10/15/2008 11:08:18 AM PDT by kesg
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To: illiac
I’m sure my staff would have my internal polls showing a lead as well

If I was running, and making decisions to spend millions of dollars (and my more valuable time)...I would want an accurate poll.

176 posted on 10/15/2008 11:17:58 AM PDT by wbill
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To: impeachedrapist

Another way to look at this is to note that in 2004, Dems had a 2 point turnout advantage over Republicans (2 more than the national average). Kerry won the state by about 2 points. In 2000, the PA exit poll data is unavailable, but Gore won the state by 4 points. Nationally, the Democratic advantage was 4 points. Perhaps we can guess that the advantage in PA was likewise 4 points or something very close to it.

So, you can say that PA is probably 1-2 points more Democratic than the national average. But I just don’t see Barack Obama doing as well as Kerry did in PA, and that’s without regard to how poorly he did there against Hillary Clinton. And I see McCain doing better in PA than a guy like George Bush, especially among the state’s heavy veteran population.

My guess is that this year PA is going to vote right at the national average, meaning that if McCain wins the popular vote, he’s going to win PA as well.


177 posted on 10/15/2008 11:19:43 AM PDT by kesg
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To: dirknowitzki

That should say polls that show 56% of repsondents are female. There is now way that on Nov 4th in PA 56% of voters are going to be female and only 44% male. It may be 51 female, and 49 male and even that is a stretch. Also no way 44% of those voting will have bachelor’s degrees. Palin will turn out the rural conservative base especially the working class Democrats who don’t vote for national Democrats (Reagan Democrats).


178 posted on 10/15/2008 11:22:25 AM PDT by dirknowitzki
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To: kesg

Can you post those 2004 PA turnout results by percentage.

That is important because most of the recent PA polls show that 50% of respondents are Democrats and only 38-40% are Republicans. That is showing a 12 point difference.


179 posted on 10/15/2008 11:24:39 AM PDT by dirknowitzki
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To: Born Conservative

With all the money he been throwing around in PA he should be up 10. If he wasn’t in trouble in PA, why did he send Biden and the Clinton’s to Scranton?


180 posted on 10/15/2008 11:25:57 AM PDT by jersey117
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