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VOIGHT: My concerns for America
Washington Times ^ | Monday, July 8, 2008 | John Voight

Posted on 10/09/2008 7:30:32 PM PDT by Gordon Greene

We, as parents, are well aware of the importance of our teachers who teach and program our children. We also know how important it is for our children to play with good-thinking children growing up.

Sen. Barack Obama has grown up with the teaching of very angry, militant white and black people: the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Louis Farrakhan, William Ayers and Rev. Michael Pfleger. We cannot say we are not affected by teachers who are militant and angry. We know too well that we become like them, and Mr. Obama will run this country in their mindset.

The Democratic Party, in its quest for power, has managed a propaganda campaign with subliminal messages, creating a God-like figure in a man who falls short in every way. It seems to me that if Mr. Obama wins the presidential election, then Messrs. Farrakhan, Wright, Ayers and Pfleger will gain power for their need to demoralize this country and help create a socialist America.

The Democrats have targeted young people, knowing how easy it is to bring forth whatever is needed to program their minds. I know this process well. I was caught up in the hysteria during the Vietnam era, which was brought about through Marxist propaganda underlying the so-called peace movement. The radicals of that era were successful in giving the communists power to bring forth the killing fields and slaughter 2.5 million people in Cambodia and South Vietnam. Did they stop the war, or did they bring the war to those innocent people? In the end, they turned their backs on all the horror and suffering they helped create and walked away.

Those same leaders who were in the streets in the '60s are very powerful today in their work to bring down the Iraq war and to attack our...

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: conservatism; hollywood; johnmccain; johnvoight
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To: Gordon Greene
Damn, but he's brave to write this!
41 posted on 10/09/2008 8:46:43 PM PDT by Travis McGee (--- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com ---)
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To: P-Marlowe
Any books you'd like to burn while you're at it?

Solution for you. Just go rent movies from the 40s and 50s and don't watch any that offend you, okay? Or even better yet, start your own movie studio and make some nice G rated movies. I wish you luck. Really.

You can't put the toothpaste back in the tube. Films have progressed or perhaps regressed into what they are today. Film studios are in the business of making money. They do that by trying to make films that people will pay money to see. Sadly our culture has become quite profane, movies these days reflect that.

Free speech means FREE speech. I'm sure you agree with that. If you don't, then this discussion is over.

42 posted on 10/09/2008 9:26:19 PM PDT by Bullish ( Reality is the best cure for delusion.)
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To: Bullish
Films have progressed or perhaps regressed into what they are today.

It is a regression. Films used to stimulate more than our gonads.

Free speech means FREE speech. I'm sure you agree with that. If you don't, then this discussion is over.

I'm not calling for government censorship. I'm calling for studio self censorship and good stewardship and a realization by the studios that they can be a force for good or a force for evil. Lately they have been a force for evil IMHO. They have driven the culture war to the lowest common denominator. The F word seems to be the only adjective in most actors vocabularies. There was a time when a GREAT movie could be made and nobody took their clothes off and nobody said the F word. I watched what could have been a fairly good movie (it had a great plot and fairly decent actors), but after about the 800th F word, I decided I didn't need to pollute my mind any further. 99% of the F words were gratuitous. It seems that if someone wants to create a tough character in a movie these days, all they need to do is have that character precede every noun with the F word. There was a time when a tough guy could convince an audience that he was a tough SOB without ever uttering a single profanity. But that kind of film making was difficult. It is easier just to say "F" this and then have some bimbo rip off her clothes.

I guess I should blame the audiences.

BTW Censorship is a good thing as long as it is voluntary. Did you know that George Washington never uttered a profanity in his life. That, my friend is self control. That is no longer a virtue.

43 posted on 10/09/2008 9:48:26 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Gordon Greene

btt


44 posted on 10/09/2008 10:08:45 PM PDT by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: P-Marlowe

Well my friend, I’ll just leave you with this going back to our original disagreement.

Jon Voight was in no way responsible for this slide into indecency that the movies have seen. His was a great performance in what I think was a great movie showing a slice of real life that most people of the day had not seen, but was very true to real life in lower class NY of the day. It was an important film, it was very thought provoking. it was excellent film making and deserved it’s Oscar, Voight and Hoffman’s performances being a big part of the reason it won.

If we didn’t have free speech, this film could have never been made. If we had censorship, (even studio self censorship) this film would never have been made, and IMO, the film world would have suffered for that. I can’t speak for Mr. Voight, but I’m pretty sure he would agree with me.

I urge you to just rent the film and watch it again. Maybe you can view it in a different light. Try to see how it shows a different world then you know, but a world that existed, nonetheless. It tells a story of pain and sadness, it also tells a story of the love of a friend for a friend.

Well, it’s late and I must say goodnight.

Take care.


45 posted on 10/09/2008 10:11:15 PM PDT by Bullish ( Reality is the best cure for delusion.)
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To: tuckrdout
Is it the actor who wrote this?

And, did he write it with John Voight's pencil?

46 posted on 10/09/2008 11:22:10 PM PDT by Defiant (With Barney Frank, a reach across the aisle just becomes a reach-around.)
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To: buccaneer81

SERENITY NOW!!!! SERENITY NOW!!!


47 posted on 10/10/2008 1:30:26 AM PDT by tuckrdout (~ 'Those who hammer their guns into plows, will plow for those who don't.' ~)
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To: Defiant
Either that or the “label baby Jr.”
48 posted on 10/10/2008 1:31:44 AM PDT by tuckrdout (~ 'Those who hammer their guns into plows, will plow for those who don't.' ~)
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To: BigEdLB
Voigt gave a sweet and poignant portrayal of George Washingtin in “An American “Carol”

Yes .... dust on the pews and on Gen. Washington's chair, in St. Paul's Church.

Frying pan right between the eyes.

Voight was joined by James Wood, Kelsey Grammer, and Bill O'Reilly. All solid Republicans.

If you go to see it, watch out -- they like to dispense with the trailers and start the film 15 min. early, to screw with us. Several FReepers have found that out.

49 posted on 10/10/2008 2:12:49 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: P-Marlowe
There was a time when a tough guy could convince an audience that he was a tough SOB without ever uttering a single profanity.

When the great James Cagney came out of retirement for his last role as the cynical police commissioner in Ragtime, he followed his old rule: no profanity. Other actors used it, but he wouldn't. He still "got across", famously. He managed to put more contempt into a look, than other actors could cram into a whole string of oaths.

In his very first scene, we meet Cagney at a Vanderbilt-esque rich people's dinner party, wearing a crown of laurel like Tiberius Caesar's -- a Victorian affectation that I've only seen once in all Hollywood movie history, and Ragtime brought it to life. Cagney looked just great, and he gave a virtuoso performance.

50 posted on 10/10/2008 2:21:48 AM PDT by lentulusgracchus ("Whatever." -- sinkspur)
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To: lentulusgracchus

I don’t think BR is republican.


51 posted on 10/10/2008 4:45:38 PM PDT by tuckrdout (~ 'Those who hammer their guns into plows, will plow for those who don't.' ~)
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To: tuckrdout

He’s an “O’Reillyan”


52 posted on 10/10/2008 4:46:49 PM PDT by word_warrior_bob (You can now see my amazing doggie and new puppy on my homepage!! Come say hello to Jake & Sonny)
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To: P-Marlowe

Why should you blame the audiences? Truth is that the movies with the all time greatest box office, contained very little offensive language and no sex scenes. So, it would seem that those types of movies would be the types made, wouldn’t it? But, no...they aren’t. Proving that profit isn’t what drives hollywood to make filthy movies.


53 posted on 10/10/2008 4:49:44 PM PDT by tuckrdout (~ 'Those who hammer their guns into plows, will plow for those who don't.' ~)
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To: tuckrdout
Proving that profit isn’t what drives hollywood to make filthy movies.

The fact is that there are a lot of nude sex scenes for no other reason than that the directors want to see these actresses naked.

54 posted on 10/10/2008 5:58:28 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: Gordon Greene

Kelsey Grammer was also good on Glenn Beck last night.


55 posted on 10/10/2008 7:08:45 PM PDT by lakey (Politicians thrive on chaos, so they create it ....)
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To: word_warrior_bob

LOL! You got that right!


56 posted on 10/11/2008 1:44:11 AM PDT by tuckrdout (~ 'Those who hammer their guns into plows, will plow for those who don't.' ~)
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