Posted on 10/09/2008 3:05:19 PM PDT by PhiKapMom
Amazing if true.
If you didn't short with the intent of ruining the overall economy you are probably not a bad man; since I don't know you I can't make a judgment on your character.
Dude I know for sure that they set the orginal Weatherman “bombs” with Obama’s CRA law suits, then they infiltrated Fannie & Freddie (not hard to do run by Dems), then they infect banks and investment banks with the subprime virus.
Next they picked off the companies one by one using shorting, options to short and credit default swaps (CDS). Do you know what CDS are? Using these three tools plus rumors, message board bashing etc it is easy for a groups of hedge funds to take down these banks, mortgages firms, AIG and investment banks. Many hedge fund managers worked at these companies as traders. This was like shooting fish in a barrel.
This is fact.
Driving the market down now when you and assorted hedge funds have at least $50 billion capital before leverage? Easy.
They have some extremely wealthy people involved. Including one very famous folksy mega billionaire who owns a majority stake in Wells Fargo that picked up Wachovia for a song. He made a few billion on one deal in a week.
Google “Cloward Piven Obama”
The question is how long can they hold the markets down to benefit Obama? If they wrecked the global financial system it might be for quite a while.
Odd how this mega down day occurred right after Cox at the SEC lifted the ban on shorting financials.
Anyone that trades trends would be shorting certain sectors, certain stocks for weeks now. Many folks probably had no problem when I went short COP, and DVN....
If you didn't short with the intent of ruining the overall economy you are probably not a bad man; since I don't know you I can't make a judgment on your character.
Yeah that's the ticket....I want to ruin the economy. LOL!! Like I even could....if I had one billion dollars. Can't do it...with one, can't do it with 40.
How many billion in one trillion? Just off the top of your head..........
My latest from Clintons4McCain sends a link that goes to the McCain/Palin site — these people are pushing Dems to vote for McCain/Palin because they fear Obama. No wonder we fear him.
Email:
MUST SEE THIS! Know who Barry soetoro is right? aka Barak Obama
www.Clintons4McCain.com
Well this is a different way of getting people...barry? check it out.
Yep really is Sarah and John.
Patriotism means to stand by the country.
It does not mean to stand by the president or any other public official...
~Theodore Roosevelt~
It is not just Soros. It is a group of hedge funds with almost unlimited capital and they are making a killing.
Ummm...no, you can't as an indidual. I never claimed you could. And I don't think anyone cares if you as an indivual shorts DVN, COP, or MS for that matter.
He also did it to the UK pound years ago. You are talking about at least a dozen hedge funds around the world with almost limitless money including Mid East money.
Google “Obama cloward piven” to see how they are hitting America on all sides. Open borders? - HUD today said 5 million mortgages went to illegals aliens and most have blown up. Part of the Obama,AYres,Soros, Pritzker and others strategy.
Summary: On Fox News’ Hannity’s America, Sean Hannity hosted Andy Martin — identified by Hannity as an “Internet journalist” — who made what Hannity called “the explosive claim that [Sen. Barack] Obama’s role as a community organizer was a political staging ground perpetuated by the unrepentant terrorist William Ayers.”
AND NOW HE WANTS OUR WHITE HOUSE!!!!!!
WELL,the SOB can’t HAVE IT!
WE REFUSE TO ALLOW IT!!!!!
KEEP THOSE REVELATIONS COMING,EVERYONE!!
FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT!!!!!!!!
They made tens possibly hundreds of billions of set up one by one and picking off Merrill (stuff to the gills with mortgages - was Stan O’Neil another Raines), Indy Mac, AIG, CountryWide, Bear Stearns, Lehman, Wachovia, WAMU and a dozen others.
Ten global hedges funds? Not very hard. People here do not understand how coorinated attacks combining shorting and credit default swaps are devastating on the companies especially CDS. CDS is debt insurnace. Companies isnure their debt. Normally like $10,000 to insure $5 million. If hedge funds buy up the CDS - it drove the companies cost to insure debt. In many cases the CDS costs increased to like $500,000 to insure $5 million.
At that point the company is almost insolvent. The next day S&P, Fitch or Moodys downgrades their debt and it is game over. S&P, Fitch and Moodys have blood all over their hands too.
This is the biggest robbery in history by far.
This is awesome. In the words borrowed by Hillary it may “take a village” to stop this marxist.
Just to make a point, you made no point on the other thread - just that 0Bama is losing ground and McCain is gaining. You said nothing more.
The POINT here is what is causing the MSM to recently, and very much shockingly, get anti-Obama? There have been several recent examples, why?
You have to admit that that behavior by the MSM is totally out of character, right?
Next question is, "why?"
Not poking ya in the eye or anything, it's just that the MSM has always been all-in for Barry and now you are seeing a small crack appear here and there. The MSM is in a frenzy to get his polling #'s up, yet you see an arrow like this fly by once in awhile......
Bait...?....real dis-chord?
Throw in the Clinton's (what they have been saying / not saying, action / inaction, etc) and...........
Something is amiss.
Just me.
I have said for years, SORO’s MUST BE STOPPED. He is not an Americn, and yet he messes with our govt, our finances and our culture. He is the slimiest of currupt people. Nast is pretty accurate.
HSoros brought down the Bank of England, I think.
Once again, you can't prove it was Soros.
I'm trying to hold you to facts....here. Socialism/Marxism didn't just start with Obama either....he's late to the party. But, on top of the stinking pile here at the moment.
Next they picked off the companies one by one using shorting, options to short and credit default swaps (CDS). Do you know what CDS are? Using these three tools plus rumors, message board bashing etc it is easy for a groups of hedge funds to take down these banks, mortgages firms, AIG and investment banks. Many hedge fund managers worked at these companies as traders. This was like shooting fish in a barrel.
To have this type of conspiracy that you rave about.....would be amazing. Do you know how many people you are talking about? Many of these banks and mortgages houses took THEMSELVES down...along with enabling help from the Fed's among other things..... Much of the shorting was traders recognizing the total house of cards that those institutions constructed. THAT IS A FACT.
Not to mention the markets inhale they exhale.....I've been thru DOW 10 k both ways...Ha!! I can't count how many times now.....Probably 16 at least since 1999. Anyone in their mind knew...we couldn't continue on with PE's thru the roof..and small cap energy companies without earnings.....going to $20-$30 dollars. I guess you choose to see goblins around every corner. So be it. I don't. Oh hey.....I know Obama is a socialistMarxist...and I'm not happy about the slide we are on....But I'm not buying a world wide hit job.
Driving the market down now when you and assorted hedge funds have at least $50 billion capital before leverage? Easy.
How many billion in a trillion? A billion ain't that much money when you are talking about world-wide markets.
And once again....you have zero proof that Soros had/has anything to do with it.
They have some extremely wealthy people involved. Including one very famous folksy mega billionaire who owns a majority stake in Wells Fargo that picked up Wachovia for a song. He made a few billion on one deal in a week.
Yes, I've read about that.....
Google “Cloward Piven Obama”
Yes, I have read and studied that. I understand it. I don't happen to think it's a pandemic situation. Do I think it's a threat, damn straight. And what I don't do is run around ranting and raving about it.
The question is how long can they hold the markets down to benefit Obama? If they wrecked the global financial system it might be for quite a while.
Ok, just tell me who these "they" are?.....Who are these global conspirators are exactly.
's? Odd how this mega down day occurred right after Cox at the SEC lifted the ban on shorting financials.
There should have never been a ban...it just prolonged the inevitable.
My whole point was you have no solid facts just your feelings...that it was Soros that caused this problem...but it's the easy conclusion.
I understand your stance.
I'm not here to totally polarize you on this...and hey, I certainly don't have all the answers.
But I think you are wrong.
So we disagree.....on this subject. Don't lose sleep over it..........I ain't.
fwiw-
“Obama is a well oiled machine”
Yah he’s greasy alright.
Name these funds with "almost unlimited capital".
LOL!!! You have that right. If someone had told me six months ago that I would be posting emails from people who had been in the Hillary campaign, I would have had a few choice words to say. This is just flat out bizarre!
His OPERATION ALOHA OBAMA begins next week.
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