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To: Osage Orange

Dude I know for sure that they set the orginal Weatherman “bombs” with Obama’s CRA law suits, then they infiltrated Fannie & Freddie (not hard to do run by Dems), then they infect banks and investment banks with the subprime virus.

Next they picked off the companies one by one using shorting, options to short and credit default swaps (CDS). Do you know what CDS are? Using these three tools plus rumors, message board bashing etc it is easy for a groups of hedge funds to take down these banks, mortgages firms, AIG and investment banks. Many hedge fund managers worked at these companies as traders. This was like shooting fish in a barrel.

This is fact.

Driving the market down now when you and assorted hedge funds have at least $50 billion capital before leverage? Easy.

They have some extremely wealthy people involved. Including one very famous folksy mega billionaire who owns a majority stake in Wells Fargo that picked up Wachovia for a song. He made a few billion on one deal in a week.

Google “Cloward Piven Obama”

The question is how long can they hold the markets down to benefit Obama? If they wrecked the global financial system it might be for quite a while.

Odd how this mega down day occurred right after Cox at the SEC lifted the ban on shorting financials.


63 posted on 10/09/2008 4:13:12 PM PDT by Frantzie
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To: Frantzie
Dude I know for sure that they set the orginal Weatherman “bombs” with Obama’s CRA law suits, then they infiltrated Fannie & Freddie (not hard to do run by Dems), then they infect banks and investment banks with the subprime virus.

Once again, you can't prove it was Soros.

I'm trying to hold you to facts....here. Socialism/Marxism didn't just start with Obama either....he's late to the party. But, on top of the stinking pile here at the moment.

Next they picked off the companies one by one using shorting, options to short and credit default swaps (CDS). Do you know what CDS are? Using these three tools plus rumors, message board bashing etc it is easy for a groups of hedge funds to take down these banks, mortgages firms, AIG and investment banks. Many hedge fund managers worked at these companies as traders. This was like shooting fish in a barrel.

To have this type of conspiracy that you rave about.....would be amazing. Do you know how many people you are talking about? Many of these banks and mortgages houses took THEMSELVES down...along with enabling help from the Fed's among other things..... Much of the shorting was traders recognizing the total house of cards that those institutions constructed. THAT IS A FACT.

Not to mention the markets inhale they exhale.....I've been thru DOW 10 k both ways...Ha!! I can't count how many times now.....Probably 16 at least since 1999. Anyone in their mind knew...we couldn't continue on with PE's thru the roof..and small cap energy companies without earnings.....going to $20-$30 dollars. I guess you choose to see goblins around every corner. So be it. I don't. Oh hey.....I know Obama is a socialistMarxist...and I'm not happy about the slide we are on....But I'm not buying a world wide hit job.

Driving the market down now when you and assorted hedge funds have at least $50 billion capital before leverage? Easy.

How many billion in a trillion? A billion ain't that much money when you are talking about world-wide markets.

And once again....you have zero proof that Soros had/has anything to do with it.

They have some extremely wealthy people involved. Including one very famous folksy mega billionaire who owns a majority stake in Wells Fargo that picked up Wachovia for a song. He made a few billion on one deal in a week.

Yes, I've read about that.....

Google “Cloward Piven Obama”

Yes, I have read and studied that. I understand it. I don't happen to think it's a pandemic situation. Do I think it's a threat, damn straight. And what I don't do is run around ranting and raving about it.

The question is how long can they hold the markets down to benefit Obama? If they wrecked the global financial system it might be for quite a while.

Ok, just tell me who these "they" are?.....Who are these global conspirators are exactly.

's? Odd how this mega down day occurred right after Cox at the SEC lifted the ban on shorting financials.

There should have never been a ban...it just prolonged the inevitable.

My whole point was you have no solid facts just your feelings...that it was Soros that caused this problem...but it's the easy conclusion.

I understand your stance.

I'm not here to totally polarize you on this...and hey, I certainly don't have all the answers.

But I think you are wrong.

So we disagree.....on this subject. Don't lose sleep over it..........I ain't.

fwiw-

76 posted on 10/09/2008 4:53:55 PM PDT by Osage Orange (" I did not have radical relations with that man, William Ayers. " -Barack Hussein Obama)
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