Posted on 10/07/2008 6:55:53 PM PDT by HollyButler
Wonder how many were infants with good SSNs
Interesting math you've got there, dude.
20 x 500,000 = 10,000,000.
By your math there are 10M illegals in Dallas metro, which has a total population of roughly 6M. As I have family in the area, I know there are at least 6 native born Americans in the metro area.
Did you ever stop to think that some significant portion of the .5M, accepting your numbers as accurate, are legal aliens, naturalized or native born citizens? I know a great many "Americans" joined these people in their demonstration.
As far as I know, nobody has posted a link to HUD records on this thread.
I have eyes, and have lived and traveled all around the country. When you go to “Maxwell St” in Chicago ( okay it’s now moved but the concept is the same) and it looks like Mexico City, and you run into a barrio in Mechanicsburg Md, and see endless numbers of hispanic patients in a small rural ED in NC, the number are far far larger then the “official” bullshit undercounts we get.
"Technology writer Robert X. Cringely has a column on the use of credit reporting data to get a fix on the number of illegal aliens in the U.S.:
While politicians and the U.S. Census Bureau may disagree on how many illegal aliens are living in the United States, the big credit reporting agencies have a pretty solid handle on the number and it is 17 million. That's 17 million adults of unproved nationality who have ongoing financial relationships with businesses or - believe it or not - governments.
It's likely that there is some duplication in this total number, that is an illegal alien who is counted twice because he has, for example, a different relationship with his electric utility than he does with his phone company. But since the 17 million figure doesn't include children, the two are likely to wash out and 17 million is probably pretty darned close to the real number."
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You know a "Great many" of those that supported illegal aliens as millions of them marched on our cities making demands and threats?
Remember what I said to you above regarding being suspect of you? You just confirmed my justified suspicions.
Here, I'll repeat what I posted to you earlier.
I don't think a 500 ton hydraulic lift could open your eyes and I suspect you have a conflict of interest buried in your argument.
You apparently don't realize that making such claims, when you are unable to produce proof, damages your credibility (and mine, and FR’s) on all related issues.
Offhand, I can think of few things more conservative than demanding actual proof before accepting someone else’s assertion that something is a fact. It's notable that nobody has posted any such evidence.
Do you realize how stupid it makes us look when you claim a photo of a large crowd of people as evidence that there are 20M to 40M illegal aliens in this country? I realize there is a large number, far too many. But a photo of a crowd, regardless of how large, has absolutely no validity for actually determining the number.
Possibly my scientific background is getting in the way. Show me a aerial photo of a forest, and I will be glad to agree there are a lot of trees in the picture.
Argue from the photo that this means there are 40M board feet of lumber available for cutting in America, and I will point out that the photo is not relevant to the discussion.
A lot of people on this thread apparently do not understand the difference between a qualitative statement: a whole bunch, a great many, a s**tload; and an actual number, which is quantitative and based on something other than someone’s opinion.
Thank you for posting something that actually resembles evidence. I have no great problem with 17M, which is roughly 50% more than the the “official” number. My beef is with those who claim 20M, 30M or 40M without bothering to post anything resembling proof to back up their extravagant assertions.
I am aware that children of illegals are not typically included in the count, but since those born in this country are considered native-born Americans under present interpretation of the law, many children of illegal aliens actually aren’t illegal themselves.
Whether this interpretation should be changed is a whole other issue.
Personally I think it's way larger than is reported.
What say you?
Thank you so much for bringing some logic to this discussion.
Not that this will make you popular. You obviously are a troll.
I gave you a post that says it's probably closer to 17 million..NOT COUNTING children. You want that information "notarized"?
s As we know, the children are either brought here with the parents or the parents joyfully romp like bunny rabbits to produce their U.S. Anchor Babies.
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I don't apologize for the phrase "lighten up"..
We've been fighting this illegal immigration battle for years here on FR. And you'd be surprised how many Trolls have invaded this forum all in the name of "amnesty".
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I suspect you're a fraud with an interest in low wage illegal labor, since you already admitted knowing a "Great many" of those that supported illegal aliens as millions of them marched on our cities making demands and threats.
Your words.
The corrupt government and you haven't a clue how many are here. You pop off with 10 million when even the stupid government has been pushing their 12 million number for *many* years. Again, credible sources have their current numbers estimated between 20 and 40 million. Ya got a computer, look it up. Of course, I strongly suspect you have no interest in the truth, and what is right.
You've already revealed that you associate and know a "Great many" that support illegal aliens and the objectives of their organizers and marches.
I live in the southwest, and I don't know one single person, legal or otherwise that went to these massive marches to *support or give aid to them*.
Thanks for your ID. Appreciate it.
Personally, I find no particular reason to disagree with the Center for Immigration Studies, an anti-immigration (legal and illegal) group, which thinks the number is somewhere between 11.1M and 11.5M, with their best guess as 11.3M.
They believe there is evidence that the number has actually dropped somewhat in the last year or so, as more people have returned to their home countries than have entered the country.
I am perfectly well aware that making an accurate count is not possible. Why so many others think this means the official number must be undercounted by 100% to 300% is quite beyond me.
Frankly, this sort of “thinking” reminds me of the hysteria about missing children back in the 80s(?). We were told repeatedly by the media that 20,000 children disappeared every year, with the implication that 20,000 were abducted by strangers for purposes of sexual deviancy and in all likelihood murdered.
When the dust finally settled on the discussion, it was found that almost all of the “20,000” were teenage runaways or children involved in custody disputes. The actual number of young children abducted by strangers for sexual purposes is more likely in the range of 20 to 50 per year. Far too many, of course, but a huge difference from 20,000.
I suspect you're a fraud with an interest in low wage illegal labor
If you only knew how funny that is. Quite the opposite. My personal financial interests would be best served by an immediate expulsion of all illegal aliens.
lol
How do you know this?
Why would we agree with anyone's "guess"? Because that is all it is....A guess.
I guess....: ) it's more like 18-20 million.
Only based on 30 years of anecdotal evidence.
I lived in SOCAL for years and years.....finished concrete with illegals in the late 70's....Watched illegals take over the construction industry there.
Moved to OK...and watched the same EXACT thing happen here....albeit in a lighter way.
But I could be as wrong as the C.I.S. or as right.....
The point is...no one really knows............
In reality you don't know, nor to I.
How so?
Technically, 11.3M.
But your point is well taken. I’ll be the first to agree that there are far too many illegals in this country.
Of course, if putting forth 11.3M makes me a troll, presumably 40M is only a slightly smaller troll. Why not 60M, 75M, 100M, 300M?
Anybody who says there are less than 1,000,000,000 illegals in this country is obviously a troll and has a personal financial stake in cheap illegal labor.
That’s the whole problem with actual numbers as oppsed to qualitative opinions. Quantification requires, by definition, something resembling precision, or at minimum some basis other than personal opinion for an estimate.
If you kick out an actual number, don’t be surprised if someone expects you to justify it.
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