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To: sarasmom
Feel free to bring me to Jim's attention. All I have done is request documentation of rather extravagant claims. If doing so constitutes trolldom (trollness?), I will cheerfully accept Jim's verdict.

You apparently don't realize that making such claims, when you are unable to produce proof, damages your credibility (and mine, and FR’s) on all related issues.

Offhand, I can think of few things more conservative than demanding actual proof before accepting someone else’s assertion that something is a fact. It's notable that nobody has posted any such evidence.

Do you realize how stupid it makes us look when you claim a photo of a large crowd of people as evidence that there are 20M to 40M illegal aliens in this country? I realize there is a large number, far too many. But a photo of a crowd, regardless of how large, has absolutely no validity for actually determining the number.

Possibly my scientific background is getting in the way. Show me a aerial photo of a forest, and I will be glad to agree there are a lot of trees in the picture.

Argue from the photo that this means there are 40M board feet of lumber available for cutting in America, and I will point out that the photo is not relevant to the discussion.

A lot of people on this thread apparently do not understand the difference between a qualitative statement: a whole bunch, a great many, a s**tload; and an actual number, which is quantitative and based on something other than someone’s opinion.

127 posted on 10/08/2008 6:36:10 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Everyone has a right to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.)
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To: Sherman Logan
How many illegal aliens do you think are now residing in the U.S.A.?

Personally I think it's way larger than is reported.

What say you?

129 posted on 10/08/2008 6:43:53 PM PDT by Osage Orange (" I did not have radical relations with that man, William Ayers. " -Barack Hussein Obama)
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To: Sherman Logan
Lighten up, Sherman. You haven't produced any official documentation of your claims either.

I gave you a post that says it's probably closer to 17 million..NOT COUNTING children. You want that information "notarized"?

s As we know, the children are either brought here with the parents or the parents joyfully romp like bunny rabbits to produce their U.S. Anchor Babies.

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131 posted on 10/08/2008 6:45:32 PM PDT by spectre (Spectre's wife (Is He "that one"?)
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To: Sherman Logan
All I have done is request documentation of rather extravagant claims.

I suspect you're a fraud with an interest in low wage illegal labor, since you already admitted knowing a "Great many" of those that supported illegal aliens as millions of them marched on our cities making demands and threats.

Your words.

The corrupt government and you haven't a clue how many are here. You pop off with 10 million when even the stupid government has been pushing their 12 million number for *many* years. Again, credible sources have their current numbers estimated between 20 and 40 million. Ya got a computer, look it up. Of course, I strongly suspect you have no interest in the truth, and what is right.

You've already revealed that you associate and know a "Great many" that support illegal aliens and the objectives of their organizers and marches.

I live in the southwest, and I don't know one single person, legal or otherwise that went to these massive marches to *support or give aid to them*.

Thanks for your ID. Appreciate it.

133 posted on 10/08/2008 6:53:21 PM PDT by dragnet2 (We witnessed the biggest expansion of government in American history)
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To: Sherman Logan
In our “debate” on this thread, only you have made extravagant claims.
Only you have introduced purported “factual statistics” that actually tend to refute your original strawman argument.

You falsely claim outraged victim hood and persecution Sherman Logan.
It is obviously both unwarranted and dare I say it...yes, an obvious lie.
Perhaps you are not entirely used to operating in a forum that mercilessly tracks who said what to whom.

149 posted on 10/08/2008 7:19:41 PM PDT by sarasmom (McCain is in the tank for Obama.)
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