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Top Geneticist: Human Evolution Is Over
Fox News ^ | Tuesday, October 07, 2008

Posted on 10/07/2008 11:30:28 AM PDT by Sopater

Human evolution is grinding to a halt because of a shortage of older fathers in the West, according to a leading genetics expert.

Fathers over the age of 35 are more likely to pass on mutations, according to Professor Steve Jones of University College London.

Speaking Tuesday at a UCL lecture entitled "Human Evolution Is Over," Professor Jones will argue that there were three components to evolution — natural selection, mutation and random change.

"Quite unexpectedly, we have dropped the human mutation rate because of a change in reproductive patterns," Professor Jones told The Times.

"Human social change often changes our genetic future," he said, citing marriage patterns and contraception as examples.

Although chemicals and radioactive pollution could alter genetics, one of the most important mutation triggers is advanced age in men.

This is because cell divisions in males increase with age.

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To: Sopater

Jones’ thinking is pretty bad here. In the article (or a similar one I saw yesterday) they admit to a figure of hundreds of mutations in each individual (they cite 300, which is a reasonable guess from what I’ve read).

People, an average mutation level of 1 (ONE!) gives you inevitable error catastrophe leading to the extinction of the genome. Natural selection can only function, even in principle, when some indviduals are more healthy then the previous generation, and when the proportion of more-healthy and as-healthy individuals is large enough to pass along a healthy set of genes to future generations.

If too large a proportion of individuals have a less-healthy genome due to deleterious mutations, then there are only two possibilities: genomic entropy (the population becomes less fit), or extinction. With 300 mutations in every individual, more or less, and the vast majority of mutations being damaging, more or less, then what you have is a tidal wave of entropy that natural selection is pretty powerless to resist. It’s like trying to push back the tide with a shovel.

The old cop-out was that most mutations are neutral, because most genes are ‘junk’. That idea (’junk DNA’) has been discarded for some years, so the robust conclusion we face is that we are not evolving, but in danger of rapid devolution. Simulations I’ve seen (look up the software Mendel’s Accountant, free on the web), suggest a survival time in the thousands of generations for something like the human genome, at best.


21 posted on 10/07/2008 11:44:10 AM PDT by Liberty1970 (Mainstream media is not mainstream. Call it what it is: Hate Media.)
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To: Sopater
...natural selection, mutation and random change.

so, how does one tell when which is which is which ?
22 posted on 10/07/2008 11:45:32 AM PDT by stylin19a ( Real Men don't declare unplayable lies)
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To: Sopater

My reaction to this article: Lol...


23 posted on 10/07/2008 11:46:25 AM PDT by SumProVita ("Cogito ergo sum pro vita." .....updated Descartes)
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To: Zuben Elgenubi

Maybe Pee Wee was ahead of his time. After all, wasn’t Nurse Nancy young and Pee Wee “old”?


24 posted on 10/07/2008 11:47:29 AM PDT by MIchaelTArchangel
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To: Sopater

He’s gonna be long since dead and dust when future historians will look back at his statement and say “File this guy under ‘Dimwits’.”


25 posted on 10/07/2008 11:48:58 AM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: xcamel

I’m sorry, but this is old news.
Obama is living proof of DEvolution.


26 posted on 10/07/2008 11:50:57 AM PDT by Jo Nuvark (Those who bless Israel will be blessed, those who curse Israel will be cursed. Gen 12:3)
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To: Sopater

Then again there might be advances in californication which will extend evolutionary tracks!

27 posted on 10/07/2008 11:53:58 AM PDT by Young Werther (Julius Caesar (Quae Cum Ita Sunt. Since these things are so.))
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To: Sopater

With all due respect to this gentleman’s credentials he is incorrect. Humans are changing (the factors causing the change are unclear). H. Sapiens is becoming more gracile. This trend has been going on for more that 10,000 years. In addition, our brains are becoming smaller. We do not know if they are becoming more folded. If not, we are becoming less smart that we were in the past. H. Sapiens had the largest brains about 25,000 years ago. Recall that our brain requires a lot of resources to function.


28 posted on 10/07/2008 11:54:44 AM PDT by Citizen Tom Paine (Swift as the wind; Calmly majestic as a forest; Steady as the mountains.)
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To: Sopater

Well, I think we have a LOT of mutant fathers over 35 in the West - look at Congress.


29 posted on 10/07/2008 11:55:05 AM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts and guns made America great.)
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To: Sopater

He has no way of knowing. Noticeable changes occur over a long period of time. Not long enough for modern science to see a difference.


30 posted on 10/07/2008 11:57:33 AM PDT by BooksForTheRight.com
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To: Sopater
natural selection, mutation and random change

And, of course, in humans, there's also a tendency toward selective breeding....


31 posted on 10/07/2008 12:01:02 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: allmendream

Get thee to Mendeleev!


32 posted on 10/07/2008 12:03:22 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Sopater

Another nutcase heard from!


33 posted on 10/07/2008 12:09:05 PM PDT by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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To: count-your-change
Do you mean Mendel?

The inheritance of traits doesn’t explain how those traits came to be. There are more alleles in the human population than can be accounted for by two individuals. Where did this genetic diversity come from?

34 posted on 10/07/2008 12:09:05 PM PDT by allmendream (Sa-RAH! Sa-RAH! Sa-RAH! RAH RAH RAH! McCain/Palin2008)
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To: count-your-change
Mendeleev invented the Periodic Tables. What does that have to do with Human evolution?
35 posted on 10/07/2008 12:10:18 PM PDT by allmendream (Sa-RAH! Sa-RAH! Sa-RAH! RAH RAH RAH! McCain/Palin2008)
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To: Sopater

There’s always some scientist somewhere wanting to declare things over. They’re usually not very good scientists.

The fact is knees, spines and sinuses are still a problem, so we still clearly have some evolving left to do.


36 posted on 10/07/2008 12:17:02 PM PDT by dilvish
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To: Sopater
The guy is hard core.

Without variation there could be no genetics and no evolution so why is it there? Perhaps surprisingly we have no real idea; and I have spent many years studying the ecological genetics of snails, fruitflies and humans in an attempt to understand this issue.

Certain snails are very diverse in their shell characters, and I have collected hundreds of thousands of specimens from all over Europe in an attempt to find out why. I have also worked on fruit flies in variable environments, both in the wild and in the laboratory. At the moment I am particularly involved in looking at the interaction of thermal ecology and genetics in snails and in Drosophila.

37 posted on 10/07/2008 12:20:09 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: stylin19a

8 years of under-graduate and post-graduate schooling.


38 posted on 10/07/2008 12:21:32 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Sopater

According to one of my daughters in law, who has an advanced degree in sociology, dolphins are already smarter than humans. I’m not so sure ... I think it depends on which human they are being compared to.


39 posted on 10/07/2008 12:24:12 PM PDT by layman (Card Carrying Infidel)
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To: Sopater

I didn’t know it had ever begun :)
I believe it was God who created us in His image to begin with...you can’t get any better than that ;)


40 posted on 10/07/2008 12:26:54 PM PDT by DCRoush
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