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McCain Camp: Cleaver or foolish leading up to Tuesday's debate? (Vanity)
October 5, 2008 | Self

Posted on 10/05/2008 10:52:40 AM PDT by RonnieFan

The talk about Ayres from the McCain camp leading up to Tuesday debate is either a brilliant rope-a-dope by McCain or a fatal 11th hour miscalculation by his campaign.

Let me start by stating Obama’s association with Ayres should disqualify Obama as a serious presidential candidate BUT it doesn’t. Sadly, a 20 year association with Rev. Wright didn’t despite damning vids and the Ayres connection won’t either. Trust me; Obama would much rather debate his association with Ayres at the debate than have McCain do what the MSM has refused to do … lay out how the Democrats got us in this financial mess and how the same Democrats will control the key Committees and both Houses of Congress. Add Obama as President and you have the trifecta of doom.

Hopefully, the recent McCain camp talk about Ayres, instead of how the Democrats’ fingerprints are all over this mess, was a head fake or rope-a-dope to get Obama to prepare for the wrong debate. The current reality is that voters are much more concerned with their economic present and future than whether Ayres is repentant over his activities 40 years ago. Plus, that gives Obama the opportunity to say, “While John McCain is worried about what someone else did 40 years ago, I’m concentrating on the now and the country’s economic future.” A line the MSM will gladly push for him.

Is it right that voters are in self-interest mode over anything else right now? NO. But it is what it is AND too many voters will continue to be mad at the WRONG party and put the wrong guy in the White House unless the truth is made known.

As much as I hate Ayres, Obama’s association with Reid, Pelosi, Dodd, Frank, Raines and Johnson is much more dangerous going forward. Too many people wrongly romanticize or excuse the 1960’s… there’s no romance or excuse for the mess now. Which party gets blamed for it in the November elections is up to John McCain on Tuesdat night.


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To: RonnieFan

The most powerful arguments against Obama are constructed of his own words, not those of his friends.

What a lost opportunity this is.


41 posted on 10/05/2008 11:58:08 AM PDT by freespirited
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To: RonnieFan

Seems McCain will be using the cleaver instead of telling the voters how he will change the direction of the country [which most people want].


42 posted on 10/05/2008 11:58:37 AM PDT by ex-snook ("But above all things, truth beareth away the victory.")
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To: RonnieFan

I think McCain realizes that he has to change strategy because his current one doesn’t appear to be working. He has to get aggressive and i’m happy that he is.


43 posted on 10/05/2008 12:40:51 PM PDT by DemonDeac
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To: o2bfree

“How did the police officer get killed?”

There are three possible police officers you are talking about. One was killed in a bomb blast that was attributed to the Weather Underground but never proven to be their work. Two others were killed in a bank robbery in 1981 involving members of the Weather Underground. Ayers had nothing to do with that.

Furthermore, the media narrative has now been successfully established that Obama is not close with Ayers.

This “guilt by association” attempt is not going to work. It might have worked 6 months ago when Hillary was pushing it, but since it’s not going to work now. Go ahead and bookmark my post and tell me I’m an idiot on Nov. 5th, but that’s my prediction.


44 posted on 10/05/2008 1:04:42 PM PDT by Mr. Know It All (Quicumque vult salvus esse, ante omnia opus est, ut teneat catholicam fidem)
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To: Mr. Know It All
This “guilt by association” attempt is not going to work

This isn't guilt by association, its CHARACTER.

So you're saying the communists can get away with disparaging Sarah's character every single day of the week? Yet we aren't allowed to question Obama's character!!!

Who's side are you on?
45 posted on 10/05/2008 1:16:34 PM PDT by o2bfree
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To: o2bfree

We are allowed to do whatever we want. And if what we want to do is lose the election, then we should support this attack plan.

I think a lot of people here are judging these ideas on how they appeal to them. McCain doesn’t need to preach to the converted. He needs to preach to the unconverted. Guess what? They don’t care about Ayers. Hillary tried this in the primary and it didn’t work then. Why is it going to work now, at a time when MORE people like Obama?

What John McCain needs to do is to convince people to vote FOR John McCain, not against Obama.


46 posted on 10/05/2008 1:20:45 PM PDT by Mr. Know It All (Quicumque vult salvus esse, ante omnia opus est, ut teneat catholicam fidem)
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To: Mr. Know It All
What John McCain needs to do is to convince people to vote FOR John McCain, not against Obama. They don’t care about Ayers.

Defining your opponent is rule #1 in politics. That's all we are doing here with Ayers and Wright. It's a question of character.

The voters have yet to fully consider Ayers and Wright, but will get that chance shortly. The supporting narrative is coming soon!
47 posted on 10/05/2008 1:51:55 PM PDT by o2bfree
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To: o2bfree

“The voters have yet to fully consider Ayers and Wright, but will get that chance shortly.”

Why do you believe that? Wright was all over television earlier this year and Clinton raised the Ayers thing prominently. What do you think voters missed?

Real Clear Politics current has McCain at a net favorability of +11 and Obama at +20. McCain’s favorability has been driven by his reputation for being beyond “politics as usual.” If a strongly negative campaign hurts that, it may cost McCain more than it costs Obama.

But, maybe you’re right. Maybe it will work. My opinion is that it’s a bad idea. Unfortunately, it may be the only idea that John McCain has.


48 posted on 10/05/2008 2:11:37 PM PDT by Mr. Know It All (Quicumque vult salvus esse, ante omnia opus est, ut teneat catholicam fidem)
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To: Mr. Know It All
Wright was all over television earlier this year and Clinton raised the Ayers thing prominently. What do you think voters missed? Unfortunately, it may be the only idea that John McCain has.

Can you offer some hard hitting ideas then? We need a way to cut through the media, get people's attention, and frame the debate. If you have any opinions on how to do that please share!
49 posted on 10/05/2008 2:55:01 PM PDT by o2bfree
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To: o2bfree

Here’s my idea: build a time machine, go back to before the primaries, and convince conservatives to stop obsessing on Hillary Clinton and nominate an actual conservative to the ticket.

That’s all I’ve got.


50 posted on 10/05/2008 3:02:24 PM PDT by Mr. Know It All (Quicumque vult salvus esse, ante omnia opus est, ut teneat catholicam fidem)
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To: Monti Cello

One thing I wish- the wealthy would find some way to teach their little spoiled brats how to entertain themselves without hurting people.


51 posted on 10/05/2008 7:40:29 PM PDT by 13Sisters76 ("It is amazing how many people mistake a certain hip snideness for sophistication. " Thos. Sowell)
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