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McCain Camp: Cleaver or foolish leading up to Tuesday's debate? (Vanity)
October 5, 2008 | Self

Posted on 10/05/2008 10:52:40 AM PDT by RonnieFan

The talk about Ayres from the McCain camp leading up to Tuesday debate is either a brilliant rope-a-dope by McCain or a fatal 11th hour miscalculation by his campaign.

Let me start by stating Obama’s association with Ayres should disqualify Obama as a serious presidential candidate BUT it doesn’t. Sadly, a 20 year association with Rev. Wright didn’t despite damning vids and the Ayres connection won’t either. Trust me; Obama would much rather debate his association with Ayres at the debate than have McCain do what the MSM has refused to do … lay out how the Democrats got us in this financial mess and how the same Democrats will control the key Committees and both Houses of Congress. Add Obama as President and you have the trifecta of doom.

Hopefully, the recent McCain camp talk about Ayres, instead of how the Democrats’ fingerprints are all over this mess, was a head fake or rope-a-dope to get Obama to prepare for the wrong debate. The current reality is that voters are much more concerned with their economic present and future than whether Ayres is repentant over his activities 40 years ago. Plus, that gives Obama the opportunity to say, “While John McCain is worried about what someone else did 40 years ago, I’m concentrating on the now and the country’s economic future.” A line the MSM will gladly push for him.

Is it right that voters are in self-interest mode over anything else right now? NO. But it is what it is AND too many voters will continue to be mad at the WRONG party and put the wrong guy in the White House unless the truth is made known.

As much as I hate Ayres, Obama’s association with Reid, Pelosi, Dodd, Frank, Raines and Johnson is much more dangerous going forward. Too many people wrongly romanticize or excuse the 1960’s… there’s no romance or excuse for the mess now. Which party gets blamed for it in the November elections is up to John McCain on Tuesdat night.


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KEYWORDS: 2008debates; ayres; bailout; debate; economy; mccain
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To: RonnieFan
I think most of us here can connect the dots on Obama and his Ayres connection. But, frankly I don't hink that the undecided voter really will care to much about it to be motivated to look deeper into so I don't think it will help much.
21 posted on 10/05/2008 11:09:20 AM PDT by bilhosty
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To: 38special

If he is, it’s over.


22 posted on 10/05/2008 11:09:43 AM PDT by faithinchaos ("You can put a flag pin on a marxist but he's still a marxist."---Jim Quinn)
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To: Blogger

LOL at the Cleaver thing. You’re right truth matters. BUT which truth? There are so many to choose from with Obama. I say go with the one that most affects the public... the Freddie and Fannie mess.

Ask yourself, when the Wright tapes first became known, did you think Obama would survive that?


23 posted on 10/05/2008 11:15:56 AM PDT by RonnieFan
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To: RonnieFan

I hope he isn’t using a Cleaver in the debates


24 posted on 10/05/2008 11:15:57 AM PDT by realcleanguy ("I have not yet begun to fight")
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To: RonnieFan

I truly hope that this turns out to be a rope-a-dope.
Attacking Obama on guilt by association will fail... surely he can see this.
SURELY... McCain is well aware of just how angry America is over this bail-out... and for him to attempt a subject change now will do nothing more than to falsely implicate his own guilt in the economic crisis. It would give irrevocable credibility to the DNC charge that McCain is directly linked to Bush and his “failed economic policies”.
Failure to drive home the true cause of our economic crisis will only serve to concede to the democrat’s lies and deceit.
If the Aires stuff is a feint, its brilliant.
If not, McCain’s career is over.


25 posted on 10/05/2008 11:17:33 AM PDT by Safrguns
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To: Onerom99
The truth about the Fannie Mae fiasco is too complicated for most flake voters who don’t pay attention to any of this stuff.

But they don't know who the Weathermen were, why William Ayers is a traitor, or even what Communism means, either.

McCain & Co. were on the right track with the Paris Hilton "celebrity" comparisons - that's about the only thing that will make the public look askance at Pretty Boy Obama. I'm not sure why they gave that line of attack up.

26 posted on 10/05/2008 11:19:28 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("One man's 'magic' is another man's engineering. 'Supernatural' is a null word." -- Robert Heinlein)
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To: Jeff Chandler

I expect more of an Eddie Haskell out of McCain ...."Why, Mr. Obama...that's a beautiful bailout bill you just signed".

27 posted on 10/05/2008 11:19:37 AM PDT by BookmanTheJanitor
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To: Mr. Jeeves

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NW12_OscRZg

McCain just need to talk about Obama’s facilitating of slumlords


28 posted on 10/05/2008 11:20:46 AM PDT by BookmanTheJanitor
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To: 13Sisters76

Ayres had a very wealthy daddy to bail him out in the end, Ayres had money, education etc. Manson was a very poor. The point is Ayres was a spoiled brat terrorist. Ayres and Obama also looted this foundation that was supposed to help education.


29 posted on 10/05/2008 11:21:02 AM PDT by Frantzie
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To: Jeff Chandler

I for one, am not worried about the Beaver. It’s McCain that bothers me.


30 posted on 10/05/2008 11:21:06 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (Somewhere in Illinois, a community is missing its organizer.)
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To: RonnieFan
To bad they can't play that one video you see here with Fanny Mae Democrat senators telling how everything is fine and some getting indignant at regulation.

But McCain should bring up Ayers and the democrat's hand in the financial mess. If Obama is Teflon and the media is the no-stick stray then McCain has to go NUKE NUKE NUKE and melt everything, which means not playing by the media rules or format that they can manipulate. What exactly that is I'm not sure and a lot of this should have been thought out after seeing the media's influence in the 06 election. McCain has to shake things up good. Palin has started and it has to get really big or people will blindly settle in with the Dems.

31 posted on 10/05/2008 11:25:28 AM PDT by Blind Eye Jones
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To: 13Sisters76
Ayers' wife and fellow terrorist Bernadine Dorhn praised Manson herself:

"I don’t regret setting bombs," Ayers was quoted in the opening line of the Times profile; "I feel we didn’t do enough." In 1969, Ayers and his wife convened a "War Council" in Flint Michigan, whose purpose was to launch a military front inside the United States with the purpose of helping Third World revolutionaries conquer and destroy it. Taking charge of the podium, dressed in a high-heeled boots and a leather mini-skirt – her signature uniform – Dorhn incited the assembled radicals to join the war against "Amerikkka" and create chaos and destruction in the "belly of the beast." Her voice rising to a fevered pitch, Dohrn raised three fingers in a "fork salute" to mass murderer Charles Manson whom she proposed as a symbol to her troops. Referring to the helpless victims of the Manson Family as the "Tate Eight" (the most famous was actress Sharon Tate) Dohrn shouted:

Dig It. First they killed those pigs, then they ate dinner in the same room with them, they even shoved a fork into a victim’s stomach! Wild!

Embarrassed today by this memory, but unable to expunge it from the record and unwilling to repudiate her terrorist deeds, Dorhn resorts to the lie direct. "It was a joke," she told the sympathetic Times reporter, Dinitia Smith; she was actually protesting America’s crimes.

FrontPageMag

32 posted on 10/05/2008 11:31:49 AM PDT by Monti Cello
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To: RonnieFan

IMO, here’s the strategy. You pound out the truth about Ayers, about Rezko, about Wright. So when the voter gets in the polling booth and sees the names Obama and McCain...they know exactly WHO they are voting for. No matter what they told the pollster, at that moment it is between them and their conscience to decide who would be a better President.


33 posted on 10/05/2008 11:31:51 AM PDT by Dawn531
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To: 13Sisters76

“Ayers and Manson both headed groups that killed innocent people”

Actually, the Weather Underground never killed anyone (unless you count blowing themselves up). There is some reason to believe that they were about to kill innocent people, but they never actually did.


34 posted on 10/05/2008 11:32:57 AM PDT by Mr. Know It All (Quicumque vult salvus esse, ante omnia opus est, ut teneat catholicam fidem)
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To: Dawn531
“So when the voter gets in the polling booth and sees the names Obama and McCain...they know exactly WHO they are voting for.”

Exactly. Finally someone here is talking smart. Let the RNC attack the Democrats on the meltdown. If McCain has a chance to reshape the talk from economy to character he wins. Talking about the economy gets McCain nothing, zero, zip no matter that the fault did not belong to him and he tried to reform Fannie and Freddie; American electorate is not going to hear it. If McCain can flip the script to character he wins.

35 posted on 10/05/2008 11:42:16 AM PDT by lt.america (Palin was McCain's Midway while Saddleback was his Coral Sea)
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To: RonnieFan

Freddie and Fannie has been dealt with. Obama isn’t getting anything pinned on him with this and the media won’t allow it. The only thing that will get Americas attention is to show what a dangerous man he is. If they ignore that then this nation deserves its fate.


36 posted on 10/05/2008 11:43:09 AM PDT by Blogger
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To: 13Sisters76
WANT someone to explain WHY WHY WHY Ayers walks the streets, poisoning the minds of our children in a classroom and is viewed, somehow, as a politically savvy operative.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Why?

Because no one has waxed him.

20 bombs later and he still walkin'.

37 posted on 10/05/2008 11:44:28 AM PDT by Candor7 (Fascism? All it takes is for good men to say nothing, (http://www.theobamafile.com/))
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To: Onerom99

The truth about Fannie Mae FIASCO doesn’t seem to me too complicated.
It’s enough to put the question on the table and keep heavy specific amunitions (troubling facts and ties)under the table to finish the job.

The OSSAMABAMA’s link with Big finance(Soros,Buffet...)is well known and tells volume on the OSSBAMA’s connection...

Soros just said in recent interviews and a in a book that he knew that a crisis should happen since several years...Maybe he helped to make it happen with the good timing...

At what point the FBI investigations are now BTW ?


38 posted on 10/05/2008 11:46:44 AM PDT by Ulysse
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To: Mr. Know It All
Actually, the Weather Underground never killed anyone

How did the police officer get killed?
39 posted on 10/05/2008 11:51:37 AM PDT by o2bfree
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To: 38special

well that stupid bailout is behind him now so he should be better than last time


40 posted on 10/05/2008 11:56:20 AM PDT by ari-freedom (Betcha they're good. Why shouldn't they be? Their one mistake was giving up me!)
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