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36 Hours of Alarm and Action as Crisis Spiraled
The New York Times ^ | October 1, 2008 | JOE NOCERA

Posted on 10/01/2008 10:14:44 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free

Some selected excerpts from the article...

"This is what a credit crisis looks like. It’s not like a stock market crisis, where the scary plunge of stocks is obvious to all. The credit crisis has played out in places most people can’t see. It’s banks refusing to lend to other banks — even though that is one of the most essential functions of the banking system. It’s a loss of confidence in seemingly healthy institutions like Morgan Stanley and Goldman — both of which reported profits even as the pressure was mounting. It is panicked hedge funds pulling out cash. It is frightened investors protecting themselves by buying credit-default swaps..."

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“If we don’t do this,” Mr. Bernanke said, according to several participants, “we may not have an economy on Monday.”

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"If money market funds became fearful of buying commercial paper, that would make it far more difficult for companies to raise the cash needed to pay employees, for instance. At that point, it would not just be the credit markets that were frozen, but commerce itself."

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“Breaking the buck was the Rubicon,” said a federal official. “This was the first time in the crisis that you could see stories talking about how it was affecting real people.”

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"Although there were suggestions for a “bank holiday” — a temporary, nationwide closing of banks, which had not been done since 1933, to stem panicky withdrawals — Mr. Bernanke and Mr. Paulson dismissed the idea, fearing it would do far more harm than good by scaring people needlessly. They had both assembled teams to map out drastic rescue plans — the “break the glass” plans. Almost from the start, they concluded the best systemic solution was to buy hard-to-sell mortgage-backed securities. "

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TOPICS: Business/Economy
KEYWORDS: bailout; corporatewelfare; crisis; economy; shillsofwallstreet; subprime; tincup
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Some revealing insight. Scary stuff like this...

"Behind the scenes, the credit markets had almost completely frozen up. Banks were refusing to lend to other banks, and spreads on credit default swaps on financial stocks — the price of insuring against bankruptcy — veered into uncharted waters."

"Out of the blue, it seemed, there was a run on the $12.3 billion Putnam Prime Money Market Fund. That meant the money fund contagion was spreading. Because of huge withdrawals, Putnam decided it had to shut the fund, and distribute the cash to shareholders."

1 posted on 10/01/2008 10:14:44 PM PDT by Freedom_Is_Not_Free
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

I am a little bit slow, so help me out.

Can’t a sound bank borrow from the federal reserve?

If a bank does not loan money, how does it make money since loans are their principle source of income?

Is it not more likely that this story should go something like “banks with poor credit or a igh exposure to bad investments, like individuals with no credit, are having an increasing problem in borrowing money?

Just a question.


2 posted on 10/01/2008 10:20:20 PM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: old curmudgeon

I’m a little bit slow too and am not sure of the answer to your question, but I suspect your version wouldn’t be scary enough.


3 posted on 10/01/2008 10:36:32 PM PDT by abigailsmybaby (I'm disinclined to acquiesce to your request.)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

Well, I don’t know how bad it can be. They are still running ads for top-of-the-line Mercedes on Bloomberg TV when they take a break from showing whining reporters telling politicians that they have to repackage this bailout and resell it to us poor, dumb slobs.

They can all go pound salt.


4 posted on 10/01/2008 10:37:33 PM PDT by Pining_4_TX
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

This is scarier than lead-based paint, radon, Africanized killer bees, black mold, and global warming COMBINED!!
I hope the government will save me.

But mostly I hope the government will give me free money like they give to deadbeats.


5 posted on 10/01/2008 10:42:22 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: old curmudgeon; abigailsmybaby
Here are a couple of links that may explain why the unbelievable sense of urgency is being promoted.  It's not just the sub prime market at risk.

Good, non US, present day summary.  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/ambroseevans_pritchard/3118994/Financial-Crisis-So-much-for-tirades-against-American-greed.html 

What's really going on:  http://www.financialsense.com/fsu/editorials/amerman/2008/0917.html  This one can be tedious to read.

6 posted on 10/01/2008 10:53:57 PM PDT by HawaiianGecko
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To: Pining_4_TX

If they try to put the Bullsheet Bailout back - IN.
AMERICA MUST run on the banks and pull its money - OUT.

The Libor rate, the rate the banks charge each other went up from 2 to 6..... I heard on the news...but still there is a lot of money being loaned....just at a higher rate...which I think is good.

The credit is NOT frozen up...

the amount of all bank credit at all commercial banks, which is reported weekly. For the most recent week reported, the one that ended on September 9, this credit amounted to $9,406 billion, which is only slightly less than the all-time peak of $9,485 reached in the week that ended on March 26, 2008

the Fed announced $630 billion in new central bank credits Monday, >>>half of it to central banks abroad<<<. And oh, the FDIC guaranteed to Citigroup all losses beyond the first 13% on Wachovia’s mortgage book, which is around $300 billion.
HALF! OF IT TO CENTRAL BANKS A B R O A D!?!?!?

John missed an opportunity to stop the Bailout and to call Obama out and have him try to defend giving 700B to Wall Street.

Well there is still time to flip flop on this for MCCain. He can say “we HAVE TO LISTEN TO AMERICAN”! and then McCain could help stop the Bullsheet Bailout.

ANd Sarah could crush Plugs on it.

America can see that this would not be the last, but the beginning of bailout after bailout after bailout, including apparently, banks ALL OVER THE STINKING EARTH.

These bailouts never come with any warranty saying that it will work, they don’t come with any statement that it will be the last one.

We need to take names of who supports this giant theft against America.


7 posted on 10/01/2008 10:58:12 PM PDT by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

“If we don’t do this,” Mr. Bernanke said, according to several participants, “we may not have an economy on Monday.”

Well we are still here Bernee.


8 posted on 10/01/2008 11:01:13 PM PDT by TomasUSMC ( FIGHT LIKE WW2, FINISH LIKE WW2. FIGHT LIKE NAM, FINISH LIKE NAM)
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To: TomasUSMC
Uh...that's because they announced the plan.

As soon as the plan was announced the markets started up.

That's why Bernanke got the Senate on board fast.

9 posted on 10/01/2008 11:03:02 PM PDT by what's up
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free
Some revealing insight. Scary stuff like this... Yes, it's scary. It is designed to scare you. It's the Congressional equivilent of four hoods with pistols pointed in your face in a dark parking lot at 1:00AM. And, it has the same desired effect: to make you turn over your wallet without arguing about it. Even if it's true, then we are well and truly f***ed. We have an economy that is so fragile that failure to manipulate it will result in total destruction Monday. I mean I won't be able to buy a Big Mac anymore? PLEASE !! Give me a damn break. A bunch of overpaid bankers losing their bonus's is not the end of the world.
10 posted on 10/01/2008 11:11:36 PM PDT by Jack Black (Just say no to the Risky Bush-Pelosi Bailout.)
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To: TomasUSMC

Huuraaagghhhh!!!(from the “Green Army”)...:0/


11 posted on 10/01/2008 11:14:33 PM PDT by 1COUNTER-MORTER-68 (THROWING ANOTHER BULLET-RIDDLED TV IN THE PILE OUT BACK~~~~~)
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To: HawaiianGecko

What I want to know is there any chance Soros and the DH ceo at Progressive Ins could take a heavy hit?


12 posted on 10/02/2008 12:26:43 AM PDT by abigailsmybaby (I'm disinclined to acquiesce to your request.)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free
CRISIS! CRISIS! CRISIS!
 
The better to collectivize you with my dear.
 
[The strategy of forcing political change through orchestrated crisis. The "Cloward-Piven Strategy" seeks to hasten the fall of capitalism by overloading the government bureaucracy with a flood of impossible demands, thus pushing society into crisis and economic collapse.]
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/09/barack_obama_and_the_strategy.html
 
Easy as 1 - 2 - 3
1. The first stage being "demoralization"
2. The next stage is destabilization.
3. The next stage of course is crisis.
Soviet Subversion of the Free Press (Ideological subversion, Destabilization, CRISIS - and the KGB)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2095202/posts?page=1

13 posted on 10/02/2008 12:55:31 AM PDT by LomanBill (A bird flies because the right wing opposes the left.)
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To: Lancey Howard
[But mostly I hope the government will give me free money like they give to deadbeats.]
 
Hmmm, I dunno, I think the Marxists have some nasty strings attached to this free "gift".  Strings that will be tied into nooses; once the usefull idiot deadbeats have served their purpose.
 
[YURI BEZMENOV: 
 
No they serve purpose only [up] to the stage of destabilization of a nation.  For example, your leftists in [the]  United States; all these professors and all these beautiful civil rights defenders.  They are instrumental in the process of the subversion; only to destabilize a nation.  When the job is completed, they are not needed anymore.  They know too much.  Some of them, when they get disillusioned - when they see that Marxist-Leninist come to power.  Obviously they get offended; they think that THEY will come to power.  That will never happen, of course; they will be lined up against the wall and shot.]

Soviet Subversion of the Free Press (Ideological subversion, Destabilization, CRISIS - and the KGB)http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2095202/posts

 
[The strategy of forcing political change through orchestrated crisis. The "Cloward-Piven Strategy" seeks to hasten the fall of capitalism by overloading the government bureaucracy with a flood of impossible demands, thus pushing society into crisis and economic collapse.]
 
Easy as 1 - 2 - 3
1. The first stage being "demoralization"
2. The next stage is destabilization.
3. The next stage of course is crisis.
Soviet Subversion of the Free Press (Ideological subversion, Destabilization, CRISIS - and the KGB)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2095202/posts?page=1

14 posted on 10/02/2008 1:05:48 AM PDT by LomanBill (A bird flies because the right wing opposes the left.)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

15 posted on 10/02/2008 4:09:13 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (I'll back the bailout if Angelo Mozilo lets me borrow his Lamborghini on Saturday nights.)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

Funny how the crisis brewed up just a few days late to save Lehman, but just in time to rescue Goldman Sachs’ investments in AIG and to encourage Buffet to buy up billions of GS.


16 posted on 10/02/2008 4:11:51 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (I'll back the bailout if Angelo Mozilo lets me borrow his Lamborghini on Saturday nights.)
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To: Lancey Howard
Just remember, if there's no bailout done by Sept 26 Sept 27 Sept 29 Sept 30 Oct 2 Oct 6, we'll all be fighting over stale roadkill and burning used Pampers to heat our tar paper shacks.

Good thing that those HTML strikeout codes don't cost anything to post.....

17 posted on 10/02/2008 4:51:27 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (I'll back the bailout if Angelo Mozilo lets me borrow his Lamborghini on Saturday nights.)
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To: LomanBill; Freedom_Is_Not_Free
What interests me is that someone choosing the screen name "Freedom_Is_Not_Free" appears willing to compromise his own freedom, and beggar his children and grandchildren, for the sake of maintaining temporary comforts in this generation.

Thus abusing both elements of his screen name.

Unless the entire original post was meant as sarcasm, in which case I do apologize.

18 posted on 10/02/2008 5:01:26 AM PDT by Notary Sojac (I'll back the bailout if Angelo Mozilo lets me borrow his Lamborghini on Saturday nights.)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free
“If we don’t do this,” Mr. Bernanke said, according to several participants, “we may not have an economy on Monday.”

What do you know? Monday come and gone and we still have an economy ... and not much changed from Friday's economy!!!

Of course, we all have to understand that we only have Smilin' Ben's and Happy Hank's word for all the disasters that MIGHT happen if this bill don't get passed.

19 posted on 10/02/2008 5:11:43 AM PDT by ConservativeCompendium.net
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To: HawaiianGecko
My position is that it does not matter how serious the situation might be.

The worse it is, the more pressure is on both the conservatives and the liberals.

The liberals are the ones that have panicked.

The conservatives should use that hysteria to force the necessary legislative changes needed to bring sanity to the banking and financial industry.

Hysteria at the scene of an accident does not save the victim, neither will it save our economy, our nation or our Constitution. Have you noticed that at the scene of any really bad accident, the person or persons who keep their cool and think are the ones that save people? We need the same kind of cool thinking under pressure.

20 posted on 10/02/2008 5:28:42 AM PDT by old curmudgeon
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