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Why millions are angry
St. Petersburg Times ^ | September 27, 2008 | Editorial Staff

Posted on 09/27/2008 10:45:52 AM PDT by Iron Munro

Here's why many Americans are having a tough time digesting spending $700-billion in tax money to prevent an economic disaster triggered by bad mortgages and greed.

Washington Mutual, the giant lender considered by many to be a poster child for making big profits on wild mortgage lending, was seized by federal regulators Thursday night and immediately sold to J.P. Morgan Chase. It was easily the largest bank failure in American history and only the latest example of the economic instability gripping the country.

The company's chief executive, Alan H. Fishman, had been on the job for less than three weeks. He was on a plane flying from New York to Seattle when the deal was arranged, according to the New York Times.

But don't cry for Fishman. Analysts say he is eligible for $11.6-million in cash severance. And he can keep his $7.5-million signing bonus.

How's that compare to your severance and signing bonus?

It's hard for most Americans to grasp the size and importance of the Bush administration's proposed bailout, even if urgent action is necessary to free up credit and protect the mortgages, businesses and retirement accounts for everyone who has managed their own affairs responsibly. But everyone gets this math: less than three weeks of work at a failing savings and loan for more than $19-million.

That is outrageous — and it explains why so many are so mad.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 110th; bailout; financialcrisis; fishman; housingbubble; wallstreet
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To: what's up
I don't get it. Were people expecting a CEO to take $100,000 for such a a massive responsibility?

WHAT massive responsibility? If it failed, which it did, he walks away a VERY rich man. If it had not failed, he'd would have still been a VERY RICH man, so for him, it was a win-win proposition.

Why not: If it fails, you get nothing and you're fired. If it works, you get some money.

Seems to me, it USED to work that way. What happened?
41 posted on 09/27/2008 12:40:03 PM PDT by HighlyOpinionated (NO $700 Billion Fiasco Financial Fix for Paulson, Bernanke, Etc, to walk away with OUR money!)
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To: what's up
You really consider the attempt to turn an almost bankrupt company around a walk in the park?

Easier than a walk in the park if, succeed or fail, you get paid.

What did the famous dude say?
"No try. Do."

42 posted on 09/27/2008 12:42:11 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Change is not a plan; Hope is not a strategy.)
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To: HighlyOpinionated
Why not: If it fails, you get nothing and you're fired. If it works, you get some money.

Can you imagine paying a plumber a bonus for trying to stop massive flooding in your house...

... and failing?

43 posted on 09/27/2008 12:43:56 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Change is not a plan; Hope is not a strategy.)
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To: Publius6961
It's up to Fishman if he takes it or not...his prerogative.

I cannot fault WaMu for offering him the money.

44 posted on 09/27/2008 12:46:32 PM PDT by what's up
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To: LiberConservative
Maybe this is the year everyone gets mad enough to vote, and vote non-incumbent. I’m considering it.

Mrs. Dearolddad and I have already decided to do just that.

45 posted on 09/27/2008 3:17:37 PM PDT by dearolddad (Like $6.00 + gas? Be sure to thank a democrap.)
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To: tiki

I don’t think the government should be investing taxpayer money in private business, but they already do and it looks as if there will be a lot more.

What a company’s investors and stockholders want to pay the exec’s is their business as long as they are using their own money.

In the event a private enterprise takes assistance or a bailout from taxpayers then we become investors and should have a say commensurate with the size and significance of the taxpayer assistance.


46 posted on 09/27/2008 3:23:59 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Congress: every law they make is a joke and every joke they tell becomes a law.)
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To: Conservativegreatgrandma
You probably would.

But what is more likely to happen is that another party could get them.

If enough repubs went to a third party, that party could become a replacement to the republican party.

I realize that is a long shot, but I think not enough of the liberal repubs realize how serious their position is.

47 posted on 09/27/2008 3:57:21 PM PDT by old curmudgeon
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To: KoRn
What’s bad is this is going to be the gateway of the government being able to set the salaries for just about anyone, based on public opinion. A very slippery slope.

Hey, they already set the minimum wage. Can they set the maximum wage?

48 posted on 09/27/2008 4:04:29 PM PDT by pray4liberty (Lord, please make the MSM lies backfire on them. Thank you, Amen)
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To: vaudine
Do you think Warren Buffet invested 5 billion in one of the failing companies to save money for the taxpayer? He knows he is going to make it back with interest.

He said his deal will work only (over $1 million per day) if the federal bailout goes through, which he obviously thinks will happen.

49 posted on 09/27/2008 4:14:14 PM PDT by Jacquerie (To the Socialists of all parties - F. A. Hayek)
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To: Jack Black
Well there is that little matter of the $33 BILLION that they were given in loan guarantees. Might be nice for them to pay that back before they start giving $1 million dollar a day bonuses to their executives, eh?

If Fishman in his one or two week tenure was responsible for his bank needing loan guarantees to get bought, then stockholders who lost money because of him can sue him.

Otherwise, his company is just honoring their contract with him. If it is so easy to do, you should apply for the job.
50 posted on 09/27/2008 4:14:18 PM PDT by kenavi (BHO: The only constant is change.)
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To: hinckley buzzard
I guess I missed the part of this story that has something to do with "success." When you start limiting how much a person can make, you are putting a limit on success. The American Dream has always been the freedom to reach whatever heights you want or can, through your own efforts. When any group starts teaching that you can make "too much money." you are, in fact, attacking success.
51 posted on 09/27/2008 4:29:51 PM PDT by Military family member (GO Colts!!)
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To: Jacquerie
"He said this deal will work only.......if the federal bailout goes through..."

Right. He is one of the fabulously wealthy pushing for it. The man did not get to be a billiionaire giving to charity, but making lucrative deals where he could. He has faith that the powerful (mostly Dems) men backing this deal will get it through. Investments require risk, but he has figured the odds and feels certain this will make him money--It sure isn't going to make you an me any. We are going to pay.

Buffett's Berkshire-Hathaway bought our biggest and best paying local plant about 5 years ago and closed it. It was very productive and people here were paid less than the Indiana plant he moved it to. But he closed it for tax write-off. It helped decimate our economy.

The Pres., Paulson, and co. remind me of used car salesmen. If you do not buy it today, it may not be available tomorrow. They need to have a real investigation of this with all the famous economists--even the ones against this. Bt, no, this is a must be done overnight deal. They will spend weeks contemplating their navels and grilling good people like Gen. Petraeus>

vaudine

52 posted on 09/27/2008 4:42:28 PM PDT by vaudine (RO)
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To: clintonh8r

“For the record, WaMu was a thrift, not a bank.”

are you sure about that? They are insured by FDIC and their site says they are a bank.

https://www.wamu.com/about/default.asp


53 posted on 09/27/2008 4:57:04 PM PDT by Canedawg (Show me an old liberal and I'll show you a man without a brain. -Winston Churchill)
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To: Canedawg

Technically it’s a mutual savings bank. FDIC has insured all banks, mutuals, S&Ls, etc. since the end of the RTC era.


54 posted on 09/27/2008 5:13:59 PM PDT by clintonh8r (Fire mission!)
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To: old curmudgeon
If enough repubs went to a third party, that party could become a replacement to the republican party.

Wouldn't you still have the exact same people? What have you gained other than maybe changing the name of the group?

55 posted on 09/27/2008 6:08:27 PM PDT by Conservativegreatgrandma
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To: clintonh8r

Sen. Dodd’s list of donors reads like a who’s who of who’s in the stew: Citigroup, $310,294; SAC Capital Partners, $282,000; United Technologies, $263,400; AIG, $224,678; Bear Stearns, $205,600; St. Paul Travelers, $205,400; Royal Bank of Scotland, $203,750; Goldman Sachs, $175,600; Morgan Stanley, $155,000; Credit Suisse, $154,550; Merrill Lynch, $134,950; JPMorgan Chase, $129,150; Lehman Brothers, $128,400; KPMG, $113,100; General Electric, $108,250; Deloitte Touche, $108,000; USB, $101,900; Hartford Finance Services, $101,500; The Hartford, $94,350; Bank of America, $91,300.

With $165,400, Sen. Dodd also tops the list of members of Congress who took campaign cash from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac since 1989. Sen. Barack Obama, the self-styled agent of change, is a distant second at $126,000 and Sen. John Kerry is third at $111,000. In the top 20 are Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi and Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2090585/posts


56 posted on 09/27/2008 6:39:51 PM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: KoRn

“this is going to be the gateway of the government being able to set the salaries for just about anyone, based on public opinion. A very slippery slope.”

Franklin Raines and Jamie Gorelick have done just fine. Fine and dandy. Fuld, too. Johnson. Google it.


57 posted on 09/27/2008 7:49:31 PM PDT by combat_boots (God, gun and babies. Justices, taxes and sovereignty. Otherwise known as White Trash. Count me in.)
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To: Graybeard58

Lock them all up.


58 posted on 09/27/2008 7:51:39 PM PDT by The Mayor ( In Gods works we see His hand; in His Word we hear His heart)
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To: Iron Munro
Why millions are angry

LOL, they are angry that someone changed the PIN number to the ATM that doubled as their house. They think they have a constitutional right to $5 lattes, granite counter tops and big screen TVs.

59 posted on 09/27/2008 7:52:52 PM PDT by riri
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