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Why millions are angry
St. Petersburg Times ^ | September 27, 2008 | Editorial Staff

Posted on 09/27/2008 10:45:52 AM PDT by Iron Munro

Here's why many Americans are having a tough time digesting spending $700-billion in tax money to prevent an economic disaster triggered by bad mortgages and greed.

Washington Mutual, the giant lender considered by many to be a poster child for making big profits on wild mortgage lending, was seized by federal regulators Thursday night and immediately sold to J.P. Morgan Chase. It was easily the largest bank failure in American history and only the latest example of the economic instability gripping the country.

The company's chief executive, Alan H. Fishman, had been on the job for less than three weeks. He was on a plane flying from New York to Seattle when the deal was arranged, according to the New York Times.

But don't cry for Fishman. Analysts say he is eligible for $11.6-million in cash severance. And he can keep his $7.5-million signing bonus.

How's that compare to your severance and signing bonus?

It's hard for most Americans to grasp the size and importance of the Bush administration's proposed bailout, even if urgent action is necessary to free up credit and protect the mortgages, businesses and retirement accounts for everyone who has managed their own affairs responsibly. But everyone gets this math: less than three weeks of work at a failing savings and loan for more than $19-million.

That is outrageous — and it explains why so many are so mad.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 110th; bailout; financialcrisis; fishman; housingbubble; wallstreet
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To: Iron Munro

Why would anyone be upset at the compensation of this guy of all people. He certainly did not bannkrupt the company in 3 weeks. Why would any conservative or really anyone else object to him being paid what his contract called for.

If you were signing with an unstable company wouldn’t you want a signing bonus to leave your prior position? Would you want severance in case the company does not last?


21 posted on 09/27/2008 11:13:05 AM PDT by JLS (Do you really want change being two guys from the majority of Congress with a 9% approval rating?)
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To: Iron Munro

Millions are angry because they don’t have a clue about the problem, and neither does the press that controls them.


22 posted on 09/27/2008 11:13:07 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Jack Black

If that was important then it should have been put in the contract for the loan guarantee. The CEO of WAMU got lucky. Finding someone to take over a train wreck in progress isn’t easy. It takes a lot of incentives for someone to take such a job.


23 posted on 09/27/2008 11:17:41 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: Iron Munro

“but don’t cry for fishman. analysts say he’s eligible for $11.6 million severance. and he can keep his $7.5 million signing bonus.”

they say that in-breeding takes place in far-away places in the mountains.

in this current “crisis”, one doesn’t have to look very far to see people wearing their pants very low with the attendant crack showing. (it’s no wonder they chased the “mafia” into the ground, so hatefully; they detested the competition.)

IMHO


24 posted on 09/27/2008 11:19:08 AM PDT by ripley
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To: kenavi
Why should you care for this? Multiply this maan's 20 mill by just 10 (companies) and it eats up 200 mil of the "bailout". We will, in essence, be taking tax money to give golden parachutes to CEO's. Let them compensate him in stock at the sign on price, and let him sink or swim as it shakes out.I do not want to be giving these greedy sobs a lifestyle that not only can my family not live, but that I and my children and grandchildren pay for.

On Cavuto on Fox this morning, one of his guests talked about the savings and loan bailout. The people who were bailed out went round to the back door and bought up stocks for pennies on the dollar and ultimately made millions more after they had scammed the people in the first place. Same thing is happening. These "worthless" papers are ultimately backed by tangible worth--i.e. real estate. Do you think Warren Buffet invested 5 billion in one of the failing companies to save money for the taxpayer? He knows he is going to make it back with interest.

vaudine

25 posted on 09/27/2008 11:19:25 AM PDT by vaudine (RO)
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To: KoRn
I think you missed the point. It's not how much they make yearly. It's the golden parachutes these CEOs get even if they run a company in the ground, but still walk away with millions. The difference is if you make good money as a “plummer” an you do bad work, you're not going to walk away with a “bonus” let alone getting even paid for shoty work.
26 posted on 09/27/2008 11:21:16 AM PDT by Ugot2Bkidding
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To: Ugot2Bkidding
Very true, and I realize the whole 'golden parachute' problem. What I'm afraid of is the liberals using this problem as a vehicle for wage controls on the upper end.
27 posted on 09/27/2008 11:23:18 AM PDT by KoRn (Barack Obama Must Be Stopped!!!)
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To: Iron Munro
But don't cry for Fishman. Analysts say he is eligible for $11.6-million in cash severance. And he can keep his $7.5-million signing bonus.

Best bank robbing job in history, one upped Jessy James.

28 posted on 09/27/2008 11:29:55 AM PDT by org.whodat (Republicans should support the SAM Walton business model, and then drill???)
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To: clintonh8r

What is the difference between a “thrift” and a bank?

Didn’t the category of “savings and loans” disappear after the S & L crisis of the late 80s? I know a number of big savings and loans went out of business, and I didn’t think any were called S&L’s anymore. I thought that they were all banks now. Maybe I’m wrong.

Also, didn’ the FSLIC, which was similar to the FDIC for bank deposits, also go out of business?


29 posted on 09/27/2008 11:41:41 AM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: KoRn
What I'm afraid of is the liberals using this problem as a vehicle for wage controls on the upper end.

Reality is that "liberals" have always done that. There is also a big difference in wages and a "CEO" walks a with millions while the employees,stock holders, and customers are left hanging.

You know like how our government is functioning now. No accountability.
30 posted on 09/27/2008 11:46:18 AM PDT by Ugot2Bkidding
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To: Iron Munro

Don’t get me started....


31 posted on 09/27/2008 11:50:13 AM PDT by Monkey Face (If Barbie is so popular, why do you have to buy her friends?)
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To: meyer
What’s even more outragous is that the multitude of government elected officials in the house and Senate that are a major influence in this lending frenzy are not being brought up on charges.

I'd be happy if their constituents would vote them out office.

32 posted on 09/27/2008 11:54:06 AM PDT by EVO X
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To: kenavi
JP Morgan is not going into gov't receivership

YET.

33 posted on 09/27/2008 11:55:22 AM PDT by expatpat
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To: Iron Munro
Washington Mutual, the giant lender considered by many to be a poster child for making big profits on wild mortgage lending, was seized by federal regulators Thursday night and immediately sold to J.P. Morgan Chase. It was easily the largest bank failure in American history and only ...

This precipitated an excellent question...
WAMU was worth $200 billion, but was transferred for $20 billion

What happened to the other $180 billion?

Assets can not be destroyed. They can be transferred, cashed out, hidden...

Without answering that question, any solution is meaningless.

Nothing can guaranteed that the crisis won't be repeated more than the search and recapture of assets, wherever in the world they are, and prosecution of the criminals.
There must be thousands of them.

Traders, CEOs, mortgage providers, multiple mortgage scammers, the whole lot...

34 posted on 09/27/2008 11:58:32 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Change is not a plan; Hope is not a strategy.)
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To: what's up
I don't get it. Were people expecting a CEO to take $100,000 for such a a massive responsibility?

That line of thinking is part of the problem; succeed or fail, they get their money.

No negative consequences.

Are you from an alternate universe?
What massive "responsibility?

35 posted on 09/27/2008 12:00:59 PM PDT by Publius6961 (Change is not a plan; Hope is not a strategy.)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

Thrifts still have different capitalization requirements and are regulated by a seperate agency. Yes, they are now insured by FDIC, but that’s essentially where the similarity between banks and thrifts ends. For the most part regulatory oversight has been much more stringent for banks than thrifts. Thrifts are regulated by the Office of Thrift Supervision which has been understaffed for years and I would submit the level of professionalism is much less than the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, which is the primary oversight for national banks.


36 posted on 09/27/2008 12:01:06 PM PDT by clintonh8r (Fire mission!)
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To: Iron Munro

I think execs should be paid on performance. If they EARN big bucks for the company then good for them, they should be paid some percentage but if they lose, they get canned, no pay beyond minimum wage, no severance package, only the retirement that was actually put in.


37 posted on 09/27/2008 12:01:44 PM PDT by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: KoRn
Ok, I will play.

Does an average CEO add enough value to the company to justify a massive expenditure like that? Spin it like a free market equation.

Hint, most CEO’s overseas don't make near what US companies pay, and look who is buying out whom.

38 posted on 09/27/2008 12:05:03 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: KoRn
What’s bad is this is going to be the gateway of the government being able to set the salaries for just about anyone, based on public opinion. A very slippery slope.

The rats have a clear plan to provide government the power to set wages for vast parts of the economy. The first leg of the plan is the proposed "Pay Check Protection" law. This law will almost mandate unions in every workforce. If your state does not have right to work, you will be forced to pay union dues. Any employer that is still not organized will be harrassed by the labor department. Any employer who resists "fair" bargaining will be sanctioned by the labor departement. In the second leg, the rats have another proposed law to force gender equity in compensation. This law will mandate the labor department to determine salary scales in almost every occupation. In the third leg, the rats will impose every kind of imaginable employer mandate including living wage, health care, workplace environment, racial quotas, disability, and family leave.

The transformation in the labor market will be profound. If you have a job in a protected industry, you will be satisfied. If you are not in a protected industry or seeking work, you are in for a rough ride. European levels of unemployment are waiting. The rat response will be to vastly increase unemployment compensation.

The only salvation may be self employment. The constraints on hiring will be so high that you will need to go alone. The IRS may curtail self employment using its onerous rules for contractors. Essentially the IRS forces many self employed into employee status.

39 posted on 09/27/2008 12:08:34 PM PDT by businessprofessor
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To: Publius6961
That line of thinking is part of the problem; succeed or fail, they get their money.

The contract they write is up to the company. If you want to get into the corporate legal profession and change the language so every company must include the clause "unless you fail" in every employment contract, be my guest. In effect, that would turn away every CEO and/or executive of talent.

What massive "responsibility?

You really consider the attempt to turn an almost bankrupt company around a walk in the park?

40 posted on 09/27/2008 12:11:46 PM PDT by what's up
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