Posted on 09/25/2008 9:32:10 PM PDT by dascallie
[This happens one day after the deadline to respond to the Phillip Berg lawsuit claiming Obama is ineligible to run for POTUS because of citizenship ineligibility (http://obamacrimes.com/)--Obama has not produced an authentic US birth certificate( we know the one posted is fraudulent with his name photoshopped over his indonesian half sister's name....the plot thickens. Read below...the post just published tonight, draw your own conclusions]
Obama Admits Dual Citizenship September 25, 2008 by texasdarlin Dual Citizenship Makes Obama Ineligible Under Article II By Judah Benjamin, Guest Author So, at long last, Senator Obama admits that he was born with Dual Citizenship:
From “Fight the Smears”
“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.
Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”
Now nice Anti-Pumas, please admit that the Senator has been selling snake oil and you have been buying it. I said he was probably born with Dual Citizenship under the 1948 Act at the outset, and I wasn’t wrong. Likewise, I wasn’t wrong about the Kenyan Constitution and his Kenyan Citizenship. Don’t take any bets that I’m wrong about Indonesia. Or the US Constitution and what it means.
Please note that I, once again, state that I, personally, believe Obama was born in Hawaii and that it doesn’t affect my opinion on his Eligibility for the Office of POTUS at all. In my understanding Article II Requires that one be a “Natural Born Citizen”, and in terms of the Law as understood by the Framers, anyone with Dual Citizenship could not be “Natural Born”. It does not matter that they no longer hold that Citizenship, they fall into the same bracket as a “Naturalized Citizen” because they have/had Divided Allegiance. That is my view and I haven’t moved an inch on it.
However, the Kenyan Citizenship Issue may not be the main point here, WAS HE, OR WAS HE NOT, an INDONESIAN CITIZEN? The Senator isn’t saying, isn’t mentioning it, is trying to avoid producing any Paperwork at all. Why? If he is/was an Indonesian Citizen, too, the Senator’s entire narrative is a fiction and he should be ashamed of himself.
He’s lied about Kenya, at least by omission, for months/years, so why should I assume he isn’t lying about Indonesia? Note Kenyan Citizenship automatically lapses if it isn’t renewed at age 21, Indonesian Citizenship doesn’t. If he was an Indonesian Citizen he would have to actively repudiate that Citizenship. Did he? Has he? Because if he hasn’t, Senator Obama is Dual National Indonesian at this moment, subject to the Laws of BOTH Countries, equally.
That is true under US Law, Indonesian Law and International Law and until LAST YEAR Indonesia DID NOT Recognize Dual Citizenship and the USA did not Recognize that one could be a Dual US/Indonesian Citizen. It does not matter that the Senator was not Responsible for the change of Citizenship because he was a child when it happened. Governor Schwarzenegger was not Responsible for the fact that he was born in Austria, or that under Austrian Law he is not a US Citizen, or under the US Law and Rules he is not a Citizen of Austria.
Senator Obama needs to produce his Paperwork, all of it, not just a Certification of Live Birth from the State of Hawaii, but all his other Paperwork too.
So, the Senator WAS a Dual National. That is now an admitted fact, admitted by his own Campaign and by Annenberg. The Senator is a Constitutional Lawyer which means that he knows, and has always known, that he is probably Ineligible to Hold the Office of POTUS, or that, at the very least, there is a strong Legal Argument that that is the case. In turn, that means that as he lied about his Kenyan and British Citizenships he is probably lying about his Indonesian Citizenship.
I do not suppose that it was ever his intention to give up his US Citizenship and it does not matter to me one bit. It doesn’t matter to Indonesia either. If Lolo Soetoro adopted him he ceased to be a US Citizen in the mid 1960s, BY INDONESIAN LAW. He also ceased to be a Kenyan Citizen, BY INDONESIAN LAW. By Kenyan and US Law he retained his Original Citizenships, until his 21st Birthday. By Indonesian Law he could have given up Indonesian Citizenship at age 18, but did he? If he didn’t he was, albeit accidentally, displaying a Legal Intention to void his US Citizenship, since he knew he could not Legally hold both Citizenships.
Please don’t tell me that the US doesn’t have to concern itself with the Laws of Indonesia because, in this case, the US does have to do so. By the way, under US Law of another time the Senator would not have been a US Citizen at all, and he knows that.
If a Naturalized Citizen cannot hold the Office of POTUS because they previously held another Citizenship it is egregious, so far as I am concerned, that a Dual Citizen/Former Dual Citizen should claim to have a Legal Right to do so. I refer the reader to my Articles on Dual Citizenship and ask you to read the quotes from Blackstone. [TD NOTE: I will be re-posting all of Judah's work shortly].
This new material at “Fight the Smears” displays arrogance, hubris and bad faith, in my opinion. It is the Senator’s reaction to Phillip Berg’s Law Suit, and, basically, it amounts to an open admission of mens rea. He is flaunting his bad faith and in so doing destroys his own case.
Ah, if that were clear, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
'Real' in the sense that the original document we 'saw' was a badly photoshopped image with scores of tells in critcial areas. The only thing released was a computer generated image, not a paper document.
And when the pressure got too great and it was clear that this doctored image was insufficient?
A hard copy gets released to a wholly owned subsidiary of Barak's Annenberg trainers, and they say it's A-OK.
You bought it. Hook. Line. Sinker, Tackle box, and Boat.
It's as if Herman Goebbles certifying that Hitler was a nice guy is good enough for you.
Lunacy indeed. I certainly understand the sentiment, but if BHO was in fact born in the USA then it will be nigh unto impossible to get him disqualified under some technicality. If some technicality does apply as a potential disqualifier, then it will be THAT law that will be under scrutiny for viability, NOT BHO’s compliance therewith. The Constitution uses simple and broad termiology to specify the restriction, and the legitimacy of the subordinate disqualifying law will be met with high-paid motivated lawyers arguing that the law in question is unconstitutional (and I would be inclined to agree on principle, even if that means not booting BHO).
Was BHO born in the USA? or not? That is the ONLY question which practically matters.
Whether a child, who is a US citizen, who is imputed with dual citizenship by actions of others, who does not actively rebuke that dual citizenship, who is saddled with “I didn’t ask for it, I didn’t recognize it, I didn’t renounce it because it wasn’t my choice”, must later suffer from such an issue will not be addressed in the courts. Law only goes so far as cooperation of those involved, and strings will be pulled to persuade non-cooperation regarding a technicality.
Don’t take this as me supporting BHO. It’s a matter of principle, which our opponents have a right to just as much as we do (remember, JMC’s citizenship is iffy too).
No one? It seems several no ones have done just that.
Indeed one of these no ones has been threatened into silence, why do you suppose that is?
Some people through no actions of their own were born in a foreign country.
It defies credibility that such people would be barred from the Presidency...
I suppose so.
Yeah. 0bama could order that a copy of his real BC be sent to any combination of news agencies or neutral third parties for $10 each.
One wonders why he doesn't.
Some people through no actions of their own were born in a foreign country.
Of course. But the Constitution makes no mention of the issue of dual citizenship. The only issue is whether one is a natural-born citizen or a naturalized citizen. Those are the only two categories of citizen. If you do not fall into one category, then you must fall into the other.
Other countries' laws regardinfg citizenship are irrelevant to American law. Indonesian law cannot grant or take away American citizenship from anyone.
Another question is, was Barry ever an Indonesian?
Under Indonesian law? I have no idea. Nor do I really care.
It isn't necessarily either or.
Even is something as fundamental as sex, one could assume that anyone who is not female must be male. Yet there are people born every day with both or neither sets of reproductive plumbing.
OK. Go with DNA? XY=male. XX=female.
As the Olympics have shown, some fully female women from birth are genetically male.
And what about XXY individuals? 2/3rds male, 2/3rds female?
Please excuse my not getting all the real research out all over again. Please look at all the old threads on this; it's all there.
Also, please see my post on the bottom line, if there was ANYTHING to this RNC, Hillary, DNC, Biden, Edwards and everyone else would have trumpeted it months ago.
Please excuse my not getting all the real research out all over again. Please look at all the old threads on this; it's all there.
Also, please see my post on the bottom line, if there was ANYTHING to this RNC, Hillary, DNC, Biden, Edwards and everyone else would have trumpeted it months ago.
>>>There has been no legal definition of the term ‘natural born citizen’ since the 1790 law was superseded in 1795.
Sorry, but incorrect.
Please see Title 8 USC sec 1401 and subsequent
Yeah.
The phrase in the Constitution is 'natural born citizen'. That phrase hasn't been defined since 1795.
You would allow a person of unknown parentage and nation of birth to be counted as presidential material, per section (f)?
Remarkable.
Yes, I have known that for nearly 50 years. Several Arabs told my dad that was why they wore those baggy Arab pants: to catch him, since he wouldn't be born of a woman.
If not of a woman, then some lucky man would give birth to him, and since they don't get pregnant it would be sudden, and it would be balsphemy to drop him.
Baggy crotch to hold him; tight cuffs, so he can't slide out.
See any resemblence to d'hood's baggy style?
*dismissive sniff*
Doesn't seem to stop them from trying.
He admitted it on his “fight the smears” website.
Are you kidding me? She's still referencing TechDud's discredited work?
Therefore, your replies to me are blocked internally. You are zotted. You are “Null and Void”.... in so many ways.
Thank God for that.
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