Posted on 09/25/2008 9:32:10 PM PDT by dascallie
[This happens one day after the deadline to respond to the Phillip Berg lawsuit claiming Obama is ineligible to run for POTUS because of citizenship ineligibility (http://obamacrimes.com/)--Obama has not produced an authentic US birth certificate( we know the one posted is fraudulent with his name photoshopped over his indonesian half sister's name....the plot thickens. Read below...the post just published tonight, draw your own conclusions]
Obama Admits Dual Citizenship September 25, 2008 by texasdarlin Dual Citizenship Makes Obama Ineligible Under Article II By Judah Benjamin, Guest Author So, at long last, Senator Obama admits that he was born with Dual Citizenship:
From “Fight the Smears”
“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.
Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”
Now nice Anti-Pumas, please admit that the Senator has been selling snake oil and you have been buying it. I said he was probably born with Dual Citizenship under the 1948 Act at the outset, and I wasn’t wrong. Likewise, I wasn’t wrong about the Kenyan Constitution and his Kenyan Citizenship. Don’t take any bets that I’m wrong about Indonesia. Or the US Constitution and what it means.
Please note that I, once again, state that I, personally, believe Obama was born in Hawaii and that it doesn’t affect my opinion on his Eligibility for the Office of POTUS at all. In my understanding Article II Requires that one be a “Natural Born Citizen”, and in terms of the Law as understood by the Framers, anyone with Dual Citizenship could not be “Natural Born”. It does not matter that they no longer hold that Citizenship, they fall into the same bracket as a “Naturalized Citizen” because they have/had Divided Allegiance. That is my view and I haven’t moved an inch on it.
However, the Kenyan Citizenship Issue may not be the main point here, WAS HE, OR WAS HE NOT, an INDONESIAN CITIZEN? The Senator isn’t saying, isn’t mentioning it, is trying to avoid producing any Paperwork at all. Why? If he is/was an Indonesian Citizen, too, the Senator’s entire narrative is a fiction and he should be ashamed of himself.
He’s lied about Kenya, at least by omission, for months/years, so why should I assume he isn’t lying about Indonesia? Note Kenyan Citizenship automatically lapses if it isn’t renewed at age 21, Indonesian Citizenship doesn’t. If he was an Indonesian Citizen he would have to actively repudiate that Citizenship. Did he? Has he? Because if he hasn’t, Senator Obama is Dual National Indonesian at this moment, subject to the Laws of BOTH Countries, equally.
That is true under US Law, Indonesian Law and International Law and until LAST YEAR Indonesia DID NOT Recognize Dual Citizenship and the USA did not Recognize that one could be a Dual US/Indonesian Citizen. It does not matter that the Senator was not Responsible for the change of Citizenship because he was a child when it happened. Governor Schwarzenegger was not Responsible for the fact that he was born in Austria, or that under Austrian Law he is not a US Citizen, or under the US Law and Rules he is not a Citizen of Austria.
Senator Obama needs to produce his Paperwork, all of it, not just a Certification of Live Birth from the State of Hawaii, but all his other Paperwork too.
So, the Senator WAS a Dual National. That is now an admitted fact, admitted by his own Campaign and by Annenberg. The Senator is a Constitutional Lawyer which means that he knows, and has always known, that he is probably Ineligible to Hold the Office of POTUS, or that, at the very least, there is a strong Legal Argument that that is the case. In turn, that means that as he lied about his Kenyan and British Citizenships he is probably lying about his Indonesian Citizenship.
I do not suppose that it was ever his intention to give up his US Citizenship and it does not matter to me one bit. It doesn’t matter to Indonesia either. If Lolo Soetoro adopted him he ceased to be a US Citizen in the mid 1960s, BY INDONESIAN LAW. He also ceased to be a Kenyan Citizen, BY INDONESIAN LAW. By Kenyan and US Law he retained his Original Citizenships, until his 21st Birthday. By Indonesian Law he could have given up Indonesian Citizenship at age 18, but did he? If he didn’t he was, albeit accidentally, displaying a Legal Intention to void his US Citizenship, since he knew he could not Legally hold both Citizenships.
Please don’t tell me that the US doesn’t have to concern itself with the Laws of Indonesia because, in this case, the US does have to do so. By the way, under US Law of another time the Senator would not have been a US Citizen at all, and he knows that.
If a Naturalized Citizen cannot hold the Office of POTUS because they previously held another Citizenship it is egregious, so far as I am concerned, that a Dual Citizen/Former Dual Citizen should claim to have a Legal Right to do so. I refer the reader to my Articles on Dual Citizenship and ask you to read the quotes from Blackstone. [TD NOTE: I will be re-posting all of Judah's work shortly].
This new material at “Fight the Smears” displays arrogance, hubris and bad faith, in my opinion. It is the Senator’s reaction to Phillip Berg’s Law Suit, and, basically, it amounts to an open admission of mens rea. He is flaunting his bad faith and in so doing destroys his own case.
This whole thing has been discounted months ago. It is solely the province of the Flying Saucer set now.
Thanks, Fred!
Sure seems Odumbo has a LOT he is covering up, huh ????
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Then why is it so friggin difficult to present a REAL BIRTH CERTIFICATE?
Or maybe, just for kicks, to once and for all prove in WHICH hospital Obama was born??
Since his camp has given conflicting information in naming two different hospitals ( neither of which has his birth records).
So “Neighbor chat” is the acid test nowadays eh? Not any documented evidence.
Oh..okaaay.
bump
Oops! You are right.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oM3Ls8NNc5Q&eurl=http://www.votethecommongood.com/?q=home
Here is reality.
RNC, DNC, Hillary, Edwards, his Senate elections opponents, all of them spent millions of dollars on “Opposition Research.” Obama did not fart in a public place without them knowing it. I know the RNC budget was 2.7 mil. I expect Hillary's about 3 mil. At least $500,000 was for “street money” for former nurses, late night access to territory and state records, etc.
If these stories were real, don't you think they would have been revealed by responsible people by now?
Dual citizenship is no bar to the Presidency. My kids will be, at birth, automatically citizens of the US, Canada and Serbia. That is perfectly legal and will be no bar to their potentially running for the Presidency.
Naturalized citizens cannot be president because the Constitution says they cannot. Period. The Constitution does not sat that dual citizenship prevents a natural born U.S. citizen from being president. So if you are conceding that Obama was born in the U.S. then claims he is ineligible to be president are false. Regarless of how many citizenships he may have held.
Obama is the ultimate empty suit even without all this nonsense.
Source please?
The only reference to itty-bitty baby Barak I've been able to find is 2500 miles away from Honolulu, and early enough that the witness felt compelled to show Stanley Ann how to change a diaper.
It's odd that the very same people who say he couldn't have gotten there from Kenya because 'babies weren't allowed to fly', don't bat an eye when the say he flew from Honolulu to Mercer Island...
We've all seen a copy of his birth certificate online. No one has presented any evidence that what has been circulated is not genuine.
Look, all of the evidence, from the birth certificate, to the newspaper announcement, neighbor testimony and the fact that there is not a single instance where anyone who knew him has ever reported that he was born anywhere other than Hawaii, leads to the conclusion that he is a natural-born citizen.
If people want to disprove this, give us some evidence. The crazy theories of his mother flying halfway around the world while 9 months pregnant, then sneaking back into the country a couple of days after his birth are nice stories, but there is no concrete evidence to support this narrative.
Tom Eagleton.
The democrats have a long track record of feeeeeeeeeeeling like a candidate is qualified.
Anything. Including dropping the bomb after McCain-Feingold kicks in so an effective defense cannot be mounted.
If there was any sort of meat to this they’d have been all over this. So would the McCain campaign.
McCain has his own issues. He wasn't born on US territory. Nuke 0bama, nuke himself.
If drafted, I will not run; if nominated, I will not accept; if elected, I will not serve.
Will she step in? Let's just say anyone between her and 'in' will be crushed in the rush.
And where on earth did these people ever get the idea that it was? Can Russia, or Panama, bestow citizenship on McCain and disqualify him? Of course not. My mother is an immigrant, and since she had not been naturalized at the time I was born, I could have, until age 21, applied for dual citizenship. I didn't but doing so would not have cost me my US citizenship.
My mother renounced, under US law, her prior citizenhsip, when she was naturalized. In the eyes of the US Government, she is an American, not a dual national. But when we visit the old country, she gets a permanent entry stamp on her US passport, and the rest of us get a tourist stamp. The land where she was born still considers her a subject, welcome to come and stay, but that attitude on their part does not in the least affect her citizenship here.
People, put down the popcorn, go to the McCain website, and sign up to help defeat Obama.
ApplegateRanch ~ You never will. He has no bellybutton.
He was reproduced by fission, like all malignant bacteria.
You DO know that the koran says the madhi won't be born of a woman, don't you?
Does it still?
Better capture it before they change it...
It's idiotic. Dual citizenship is perfectly legal under American law. Some people, such as my future kids, will be dual citizens from birth through no actions of their own. It defies credibility that such people would be barred from the Presidency because of the laws of another country.
My mother renounced, under US law, her prior citizenhsip, when she was naturalized. In the eyes of the US Government, she is an American, not a dual national.
I'm not sure that's true (or the law may have changed in the interim)- I was naturalized in late 2006 and did not have to give up my existing citizenships. I am, legally, a citizen of the US, Canada and Serbia. US authorities are aware of this- whenever I cross the border into each country, when they scan either of my passports, the display shows the border agent that I hold both Canadian and US passports.
Yeah?
Do we simply take your word for it? Is there no TV station archive? (For that matter does this TV station even have call letters?) No YouTube capture? No viral email file? No link on the Fright the Smears website? No nuthin'.
Curious. Don't tell me. SHOW me.
Not that I don't trust you or anything, you understand...
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