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Scientist forced to resign by evolution absolutists
Modern Conservative ^ | September 23, 2008

Posted on 09/23/2008 9:09:38 AM PDT by thinkingIsPresuppositional

The theory of Darwinian evolution is one of the least rigorous scientific theories in modern memory.

The record of Darwinian science is also rife with hoaxes, including

And yet, if you deviate in any way from belief in this theory, you put yourself at grave risk. Even scientists who merely approach the question with scientific skepticism are at risk. You can lose your job, your funding, be denied tenure, have your career ruined or be sued by the ACLU.

But how about if you are a scientist who SUPPORTS the theory of evolution yourself, but suggest that maybe it would be okay if kids in a classroom were allowed to ask challenging questions?

Nope.

Reiss resigns as Royal Society stifles debate on evolution

This week, in Britain, we have had the highest profile proof that even a hint that your views on evolution might differ from those of the scientific establishment is enough to force you out. Prof. Michael Reiss, an evolutionist and the Royal Society’s director of education, resigned under pressure (given the push) within a couple of days of merely suggesting that creationism and ID could be discussed in classrooms—even if it was in order to explain why they were, in his view, wrong.
Immediately, atheistic scientists called for him to be ousted, claiming he was wanting creationism to be taught as an alternative to evolution. This was not his position, so he was not pushed out because of what he actually said, but because other people misrepresented what he had said. The Royal Society should have defended Reiss against those who were twisting his words, but instead they gave in, thus saving their own reputation for evolutionary orthodoxy.

Note, at the risk of repetition, that Reiss is an evolutionist himself. He was simply saying it was OK for pupils to express their own opinions. He said, ‘There is much to be said for allowing students to raise any doubts they have—hardly a revolutionary idea in science teaching—and doing one’s best to have a genuine discussion.’

You don't have to be a six-day creationist, or any kind of creationist at all, or even a believer in God to see that at least some of the believers in Darwinian evolution are members of a self-created orwellian cult.



TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: assumptions; debate; evolution; intolerance; orthodoxy; persecution; reiss; scientism
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1 posted on 09/23/2008 9:09:38 AM PDT by thinkingIsPresuppositional
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional

//You don’t have to be a six-day creationist, or any kind of creationist at all, or even a believer in God to see that at least some of the believers in Darwinian evolution are members of a self-created orwellian cult.//

Bttt


2 posted on 09/23/2008 9:15:43 AM PDT by valkyry1 (McCain/Palin 2008)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional

Science without dissent is not science.


3 posted on 09/23/2008 9:19:28 AM PDT by Always Right (Obama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional
creationism and ID could be discussed in classrooms

Which version is permissible? The Catholic? The Mormon, The Hindu? The Islamist? Native American?

Why do ID Christians want an exception to the First Amendment to help establish a state religion. Are they losing members in the flock?

4 posted on 09/23/2008 9:19:36 AM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional

but but evolution is a FACT!

The only ones who don’t believe the FACT are those narrow-minded, unenlightened simpletons who are bitterly clinging to their religion...and guns (the premier tools of survival for the fittest).

...like me.

BTW...excellent snapshot summary of the myriad of probelms for the evo THEORY...AKA as creation worship. Thanks for posting it!


5 posted on 09/23/2008 9:21:23 AM PDT by woollyone ("When the tide is low, even a shrimp has its own puddle." - Vance Havner)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
Why do ID Christians want an exception to the First Amendment to help establish a state religion.

It is a sad day when discussion of a topic = establishment of a religion. Only a radical leftwing justice with an anti-God agenda could make that stretch. Too bad the court is full of those, and the scientific community for that matter.

6 posted on 09/23/2008 9:21:49 AM PDT by Always Right (Obama: more arrogant than Bill Clinton, more naive than Jimmy Carter, and more liberal than LBJ.)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts

Why are Darwinites so intent on stifling any discussion on the merits of his theory?

This story is merely one more example of the silencing of any discussion, even one that would disprove ID or Creationism in UK schools, not US Schools.

It troubles me that debate or even polite discussion can so easily be silenced.


7 posted on 09/23/2008 9:23:54 AM PDT by padre35 (Sarah Palin is the one we've been waiting for..Rom 10.10..)
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts

Most Christians have no problem with evo being taught in schools, as little humor is a good thing in every place of learning, they just want ALL theories taught with equal weight.


8 posted on 09/23/2008 9:24:12 AM PDT by woollyone ("When the tide is low, even a shrimp has its own puddle." - Vance Havner)
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To: Always Right
Science without dissent is not science.

Science without science is not science.

9 posted on 09/23/2008 9:24:15 AM PDT by Eddeche
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional
First, your premise is incorrect. Evolution by natural selection has an enormous amount of supporting evidence that is growing steadily. For example, the molecular biology revolution of the past two decades has added enormous support. Scientists can now trace at the DNA level the evolution of specific traits such as color vision and the ability to smell pheromones.

On the larger issue of teaching creationism in the UK schools you should note that despite Reiss being a Christian most of the pressure to do this is coming from Muslims. It's part of the slow, creeping Shariah-fication of the UK and the realization of this fact was one of the motivations of the opposition (the other being scientific).

10 posted on 09/23/2008 9:26:29 AM PDT by jalisco555 ("My 80% friend is not my 20% enemy" - Ronald Reagan)
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To: padre35
Why are Darwinites so intent on stifling any discussion on the merits of his theory?

ID and creationism are not scientific theories. They do not even amount to hypotheses.

They are religious beliefs masquerading as science, and doing a very poor job of it.

Why should science welcome with open arms such beliefs when all of the scientific evidence found to date contradicts them and the debate on these subjects was concluded in the 1800s?

11 posted on 09/23/2008 9:29:57 AM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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Then debunk them in fair and open debate, if they are so offbase, and Darwinism is so airtight, then what is there to fear from such a discussion?


12 posted on 09/23/2008 9:33:05 AM PDT by padre35 (Sarah Palin is the one we've been waiting for..Rom 10.10..)
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To: woollyone
Most Christians have no problem with evo being taught in schools, as little humor is a good thing in every place of learning, they just want ALL theories taught with equal weight.

Why do you want to teach in science class that God is dead?

13 posted on 09/23/2008 9:33:16 AM PDT by E=MC2
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To: LoneRangerMassachusetts
Which version is permissible? The Catholic? The Mormon, The Hindu? The Islamist? Native American?

How about any or all.

Why do ID Christians want an exception to the First Amendment to help establish a state religion

What part of the first amendment would be violated?

14 posted on 09/23/2008 9:33:34 AM PDT by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: Alamo-Girl; betty boop
CREVO (with a slightly different slant) ping!

(If you deem it to be appropriate to do so, please ping the usual crew...)

15 posted on 09/23/2008 9:34:19 AM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...!!)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional

You have not studied quantum mechanics.

In quantum mechanics, if something can occur, IT ABSOLUTELY WILL OCCUR, given enough time.

for example, if you hold a uranium 238 atom in your hand, it is not going to be radiactive. If you hold it in your hand for about 4 billion years, you have a 50% chance it will decay.

it is the same with evolution, just because something is extremely unlikely to happen, does not mean it won’t.

After studying QM, and given 4 billion years and billions, maybe trillions of life forms, it is almost a certainty evolution does take place on a grand scale.


16 posted on 09/23/2008 9:36:36 AM PDT by staytrue
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To: padre35
Then debunk them in fair and open debate, if they are so offbase, and Darwinism is so airtight, then what is there to fear from such a discussion?

Its been done, but creationists just refuse to accept the answers science comes up with because their beliefs are not based on evidence.

Just look in the scientific journals. That is where scientific debate takes place, not on internet chat rooms. The evidence has been accumulating in those journals for a couple of hundred years.

But creationists, having lost in the realm of science, are now pushing their ideas in the world of public opinion. They are trying to impose their views through school boards and state legislatures. Look at how many lawyers and PR flacks the Discovery Institute has on staff, as opposed to working scientists. Look at their PR budget vs. their research budget. How many laboratories do they have in their little Seattle office vs. how many lawyers blogging from their cubicles?

17 posted on 09/23/2008 9:38:56 AM PDT by Coyoteman (Religious belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge.)
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To: Always Right; padre35; woollyone; ontap
OK, You guys embarrassed me. Let's teach Hindu theory of cyclical creation for the next year in public schools to give evolution an opportunity to be discredited. To be fair we need reciprocity, so we will teach Evolution in your church schools also for the next year. Are you happier now?
18 posted on 09/23/2008 9:39:12 AM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts
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To: staytrue
In quantum mechanics, if something can occur, IT ABSOLUTELY WILL OCCUR, given enough time.

So sooner or later there will be a God and he will create everything, or maybe he already has!!!!

19 posted on 09/23/2008 9:39:38 AM PDT by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: thinkingIsPresuppositional

Evolution is a pillar of Marxism and Aethiesm.

Thinking conservatives are making a mistake when they fail to examine the evidence themselves and reach their own conclusions.


20 posted on 09/23/2008 9:40:51 AM PDT by Elpasser
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