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Stocks surge on report of entity for bad debt
Yahoo Finance ^ | 9/18/2008 | Tim Paradis

Posted on 09/18/2008 12:38:31 PM PDT by politicket

NEW YORK (AP) -- Wall Street surged higher Thursday, with the Dow Jones industrials up more than 400 points after a report that the federal government is considering creation of a repository for banks' bad debt. CNBC said Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson is considering creation of an entity like the Resolution Trust Corp. that was formed after the failure of savings and loan banks in the 1980s.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banks; economy; fobaproa; government; govwatch; hangtodayskenlays; housingbubble; marines; resolution; trust; wallstreet
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To: Osage Orange
Although I do think about it personally..and have taken steps to protect me and mine....As best that I know how.

That's all you can do in this mess my FRiend.

141 posted on 09/18/2008 3:00:24 PM PDT by politicket (Palin-tology: (n) - The science of kicking Barack Obambi's butt!)
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To: Cold Heat
the congressional black caucus gained over Fannie and Freddie by 2003

Who controlled the House in 2003?

Oh.

Ooopppps.
142 posted on 09/18/2008 3:01:16 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: koraz
ok I get it. The U.S. should just isolate itself?

No, lets keep doing what were doing, and soon the working class will be sleeping in trailers.

Like it or not we are a global society.

Yeah, this has just worked out beautifully.

Those that made in billions overseas on low wage peasant labor applaud your support.

The price we pay for being fortunate enought to being born an American (or an immigrant) is that we need to step up to the plate and educate ourselves

LOL...Like we shouldn't depend on government for bailouts, and pull ourselves up by our bootstraps, right?

What hogwash!

U.S. citizens have lost menial jobs and gained more challenging jobs

More challenging jobs? Oh, you mean those that now work harder for less, while being offered cheap, meaningless incentives instead of deserved raises?

What are you going to retrain engineers for, that were replaced by those that work less from India?

You think the people that are being jackhammered by this leadership still buys this crap?

No sale.

143 posted on 09/18/2008 3:01:30 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: politicket

Thanks-

Best FRegards,


144 posted on 09/18/2008 3:02:37 PM PDT by Osage Orange (MOLON LABE)
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To: politicket
It is an 8 part video of Peter Schiff speaking to a Mortgage Association in late 2006. His comments and forecasts were spot-on.

Peter is way above the other talking heads on Fox News. I remmeber 2 years ago how he was slammed by those shills like Jonthan Hoening but what he said then has come to pass.

145 posted on 09/18/2008 3:06:41 PM PDT by am452 (Pres Bush: Why more importance on protecting Georgias border than our own?)
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To: Kimberly GG
What you picked up on was the Bush side of the political fray that was going on at the time. Bush wanted to take Fanny and Freddie out of the hands of the Congressional black caucus and their Dem supporters, and out of the obvious political control that was destroying both and putting them at risk for exactly what happened to them.

He failed because Dodd and Rangle, called the repubs racists and defeated the bill. The speeches were damage control caused by the political fights, and don't reflect the Bush Admin's willingness or participation in what happened.

The fact is, that the Dem's were using the mortgage money politically, and through community organizers, they caused this. The cheap mortgages were then misused by others, who lied on their apps, and bought homes to flip them. This was done by the millions of units, and since so much money for fees were being earned by mortgage companies and banks, nobody wanted to screw the pooch on prosperity even though many saw that it was unsustainable, and secondly they would be called racists............

Well.......I don't mind at all putting the blame where it belongs, and I have.

146 posted on 09/18/2008 3:08:18 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Well....................................That's .....that.........)
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To: Osage Orange
But...I don't know what to do about it as an American.

You do the thing they don't teach in school anymore. You get your neighbors or fellow members of any organizations you belong to, and go to your senator's office and your congressman's office. You tell them they'd better do something to reign in the globalist power grab in the executive branch and work with you citizens to restore Constitutional government. Tell them absolutely NO MORE support for them, votes for them or their parties UNTIL THEY CLEAN the government up, and reduce it to a Constitutional size.

While you're at it go see your governor and make the same demands.

It's called petitioning the government and its your Constitutional right---as long as we still have it.
147 posted on 09/18/2008 3:08:46 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: kidd

LOL!


148 posted on 09/18/2008 3:11:46 PM PDT by tanuki (Summum ius summa iniura. (The more law, the less justice))
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To: dragnet2

Good one!


149 posted on 09/18/2008 3:11:56 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: TomGuy
That's exactly correct. We did!, But you can't fight them when they pull out the racist crap, and you must know that they do it without even pausing for a breath.

That's what happened, and the republican opposition fell apart like a cheap suit. It was not politically worth it anymore.

I don't know how you fight something like that. I really don't know.....and I don't think anyone does.

That's why it happened.

150 posted on 09/18/2008 3:12:30 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Well....................................That's .....that.........)
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To: pabianice

YEE-HAA?

151 posted on 09/18/2008 3:25:11 PM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Palin for President! (Who was that old fogey she was with?))
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To: politicket

You know, there was a book I read once, that is decried as total tinfoil bull scat, that describes what is going on right now in detail.

“The Creature from Jekyll Island”... Seems we have just nationalized our housing and finance industry.

So are we international or national socialists? I suspect I know.


152 posted on 09/18/2008 3:26:45 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: marshmallow

What this tells me is that things are much, much worse then are being let on.


153 posted on 09/18/2008 3:29:06 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum
So are we international or national socialists? I suspect I know.

We're national Socialists in our policy - that are owned by international Socialists via our debt.

154 posted on 09/18/2008 3:29:20 PM PDT by politicket (Palin-tology: (n) - The science of kicking Barack Obambi's butt!)
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To: politicket
We're national Socialists in our policy - that are owned by international Socialists via our debt.

Hmm. Great point. Put much better than I would.

So the real question is, how long till I flee to the countryside and raise turnips to live on? In other words, is this the start of the whole house of cards going down.

155 posted on 09/18/2008 3:31:01 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
IN the end, the Resolution Trust Corporation worked. If we can do this like we did that, it’s not a bad solution.

Let me ax you a question.

How do you suppose this wonderful new resolution trust type company will pay for all of the toxic debt that it will be "buying" from Wall Street?

Who will determine the prices that this "company" will pay for it?

This is NOTHING but a bailout. A massive bailout that will cost The Taxpayers.

The Gov't can either directly bail out each institution piecemeal, as it has for Bear Stearns, IndyMac, Fannie/Freddie, AIG... etc

OR!

It can print up a bunch of money and "fund" this neat new "resolution corporation" to buy up the sh!t within each companies portfolio.

Either way, by any name you want to call it, it's still a bailout. And we are all getting screwed.

156 posted on 09/18/2008 3:34:45 PM PDT by adm5 (Roger That. - MA2 Michael A. Monsoor, USN - Medal of Honor Recipient Posthumously)
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To: politicket
"Stocks surge on report of entity for bad debt"

What's that saying? "Freedom ends with a thunderous applause"

157 posted on 09/18/2008 3:44:52 PM PDT by babbabooey
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To: redgolum
Here's an interesting synopsis of what was happening prior to the Great Depression:

http://www.investopedia.com/features/crashes/crashes5.asp

From the article:

Since the stock market was believed to be a no-risk, no-brain world where everything went up, many people poured all their savings into it without learning about the system or the underlying companies. With the flood of uneducated investors, the market was ripe for some manipulation and swindling. Investment bankers, brokers, traders, and sometimes owners banded together to manipulate stock prices and get out with gains. They did this by subtly acquiring large chunks of stock between them and trading them between each other for slightly more each time. When the public noticed the progression of price on the ticker tape, everyone would buy the stock. So, the market manipulators would then sell off their overpriced shares for a healthy profit. On and on the cycle went as uneducated investors turned a profit by selling the manipulated, over-priced shares to someone who wanted to have a rising stock.

Behavioral finance shows that the less an investor knows, the easier it is for him or her to be swept up in popular opinion (herd mentality). This behavior is a double-edged sword because the ignorant investors are also easily spooked into panic. Both actions, joining and fleeing, have very little basis in the quality of the news or the quality of the market. Instead, the herd follows the cow that runs the fastest, trampling the market.

During the craze before the Great Depression a number of academics, including Roger Babson, were predicting a crash if things didn't “calm the hell down.” Sadly, for every Roger Babson, there were four bull-blinded academics guaranteeing the eternal rapid growth of the American stock market. Although Babson had been predicting the crash for years, the capricious and ignorant investors finally listened. The twelve-year worldwide depression came and ended only with the declaration of war. This stands as the worst financial blow to the USA ever. The crash itself, though large in its own right, was nothing compared to the ensuing graveyard market and devastating depression.

158 posted on 09/18/2008 3:57:18 PM PDT by politicket (Palin-tology: (n) - The science of kicking Barack Obambi's butt!)
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To: Notary Sojac

You just hit the nail on the head.


159 posted on 09/18/2008 3:59:10 PM PDT by iThinkBig
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To: redgolum
Forgot to add...

Does the synopsis that I posted about the Great Depression ring a bell for our current issues?

I think that it's more like a gong.

160 posted on 09/18/2008 4:00:13 PM PDT by politicket (Palin-tology: (n) - The science of kicking Barack Obambi's butt!)
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