Posted on 09/15/2008 10:58:51 AM PDT by Kevmo
The Washington Post article is already being commented upon here in Free Republic.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/12/AR2008091202414
The purpose of this thread is to help Freepers and lurkers decide upon what the best mode of self defense would be in the case of the breakdown in social order such as happened with the Rodney King riots.
Joe Brower owns one of the RKBA (Right to Keep and Bear Arms) ping lists. I tried to convince him to open this vanity because he and his friends are more knowledgeable about guns. He says, "there have already been threads on the subject you mention right here on FR, although I can't locate them now. Tell you what -- you start the thread and then ping me, and I'll then flag my RKBA list for comments. I'm sure some folks in that group would be able to provide links, as well as plenty of timely advice. "
This scenario is called the SHTF scenario, where the acronym stands for $#|+ Hits The Fan. So this will be the SHTF gun thread for November 2008... Of course, gun ownership isn't for everyone. But it is the most accessible safety measure under our constitution, which is as our founding fathers intended. Recall where the police were when the Rodney King riots started: they left the scene for their own safety. If that were to happen in your neighborhood, what is your plan?
I don’t know. Was firing my Romanian WASR (licensed AK-47) the other day and man is it accurate. Cheap ammo.. all Russian milspec. Fun assault gun.
I would not underestimate the ability of an eight-year-old to get access to any gun, however secured.
I believe that the best way to "kid-proof" your guns is to "gun-proof" your kids.
Children who understand the following will be much safer than those that don't:
1 - Guns make unpleasantly loud noises when fired.
2 - Guns make holes in objects, animals, or people that are sufficient to kill them, causing extreme pain in the process.
3 - Unless you know for a certainty that a gun is not loaded, then it has the potential to fire and many people, including children, have died for misunderstanding this point.
4 - Mom and Dad are more than willing to supervise safe use of guns whenever the children desire it.
5 - Reports of unsupervised gun use will result in severe punishment.
Both of my daughters were educated to this level at the age of FOUR.
Such devices by their very nature violate one of the key firearms safety rules; never touch the trigger until you are ready to fire.
If one should ever accidently install a trigger lock on a loaded gun, there may not be a safe way to remove it.
Cable locks through the action which prevent chambering of a round are probably fine for preventing a child who has no understanding of how to defeat the mechanism from being harmed.
Completely un-necessary. WHATEVER firearm you get, take it and the kids out to the country to a suitable site, and let them fire it. Give the "standard lecture" on gun safety. Kids ain't as stupid as folks (antigunners) make them out to be.
But if you absolutely feel you HAVE to lock them up, get a bedside "quick open" storage box (assuming you opt for a handgun). Far faster to get to than any type of trigger lock. If you want it for self defense, speed is likely to be of the essence.
I can’t believe no one has mentioned buying a semi-auto AK47 varient.
1. Cheaper than a AR-15
2. Ammo is cheaper than 5.56 mm
3. Proven reliability of design
4. Hollow points available
5. 30 round magazines relatively cheap and available.
I live on the Eastern Shore of Virginia (Accomack co. pop. 38,500, yes, in the whole county), I don’t anticipate any trouble here, but I have a clear field of fire to cover my 2 acres...7x57 1895 Chilean mauser, Mossberg 500 12 Ga. if they get closer, and a Marlin .22 for their f#$%ing poodle.
We are looking into a more rural area for building. Being outside a metro area is inviting.
If you're a US citizen with no criminal record it is.
Look, blacks aren't going to riot. All of this is being promoted by the far-left irrelevant NAACP, the media, the DNC, and other left-wing organs. Real blacks, middle-class folks who got jobs and families aren't going to be out in the streets. You'll hear a lot of talking smack after the election from the usual liberal black pundits but that's about it.
I only was intimating that I was not answering for you.
It had nothing to do with anything else, but that.
Regards
Your home isn’t worth a serious injury to anyone who lives there! If you think that you are in a particularily bad spot, move your family out of there ASAP when unrest begins.
If your family is like most where mom and Pop work, the kids go to school, etc. Write a Disaster Plan. Who picks up the kids on what days? Always keep the cars filled above the half tank mark. Assemble a duffle bag filled with two or three days clothing, shoes, underwear, tooth brush, soap towels, etc. for each member of the house. Better known as Bug Out Bags, when you have to Bug Out, grab the bags and go.
Mom, have a spot in the yard where you can bury your expensive jewelry. Gather the important papers together and put them in a small box. They go with you.
Pop, you keep track of defending the family remembering that you want to AVOID a confrontation, NOT get into one. So plan as many ways as possible to get to your destination as possible, avoiding likely hotspots. Also make it your job to supply/load the water and drinks, the heavy stuff so Mom doesn’t have to. Take two cars out of your neighborhood and drop one off at a friends. That way if one vehicle isn’t performing you have an option.
These weapons you want? How about borrowing one from a friend? That way he/she can take you to the range and you can familiarize yourself with it.
Can't agree. As a younker, I killed more than one full-grown semi-wild hog with .22LR and hollow points. It took 2-3 shots, but with a semi-auto rifle, those only take a couple of seconds. Up to a point, bigger is indeed better, but any firearm beats hands or club.
A couple of thoughts here. The act of purchasing a weapon is a huge mental step. You are setting up the conditions where you could actually take a life. This is a step that should give everyone great pause.
Second, once a weapon is taken up in defense, there is no taking it back. It sets into action either a “fight or flight” response on the part of both the attacker and the defender. If the defender decides to take flight, it is likely it will result in giving your attacker a weapon to be used against you.
If your attacker chooses to fight, you must kill them. There is no “hit’em in the leg” position, your life and those of your family/friends are at risk, you keep shooting until your attacker is dead or you weapon is empty.
This is an act you will relive forever. You will see their faces, experience the moment over and over and will second guess yourself for many years to come. Consider this before you purchase your weapon.
As for a choice of weapon, I assume this is for home defense. Purchase a youth 20ga pump shotgun. Purchase a box of buckshot and a couple boxes of slugs. Most shotguns will take 3 to 5 rounds. Load it so the first round fired is buckshot, then slug, then buckshot, etc. A youth size is small and easily handled within the confines of your house.
Finally, GET TRAINING!! Gunsite or Thunder Ranch both offer defensive shotgun courses that will give you the best possible chance for survival in a firefight.
Thanks. It sounds to me like “stopping power” is a bit overrated. How much stopping power does a hollow point .22 have compared to a .38 normal round?
Obama is not the same kind of situation. Besides, he is only 1/4 black.
***Most blacks don’t know that, and indeed even the author of this article we’ve sprinboarded from.
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