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Does Biden Have a Catholic Problem?
Time ^ | 9/12/2008 | Amy Sullivan

Posted on 09/13/2008 9:19:20 AM PDT by markomalley

When Barack Obama announced that he had chosen Joe Biden as his running mate, Catholic Democrats knew some kind of religious rumble was inevitable.


Sure enough, the day after Biden's selection the archbishop of Denver declared that the Catholic senator should "refrain from presenting himself for communion." Archbishop Charles Chaput was one of the handful of Catholic leaders who had targeted Kerry in 2004, but he had become a marginalized in the bishops conference — losing key leadership elections — in part because of his extreme views about denying communion to politicians. His warning to Biden stood alone. Even the conservative Catholic League's Bill Donahue, who rarely hesitates to fire off press releases condemning Catholic Democrats, was unusually silent about Biden.

Then the Bishops stepped in. On Wednesday, the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops publically called out Biden for comments he made about abortion on NBCs Meet the Press. Even Kerry, whose support for abortion rights is much stronger than Biden's and who was running at the top of the ticket, never generated attention from more than a handful of the most extreme bishops. The involvement of the bishops conference is a clear signal that the communion wars are not over. And it has Catholics Democrats worriedly asking themselves: Can one of their own ever again win national office?


Biden, in contrast, knew what was coming. Delaware's Catholic leaders have never sought to withhold communion from the senator because of his support for abortion rights. But in 2006, then-Wilmington Bishop Michael Saltarelli pressured Biden's high school alma mater into dropping plans to name a new student center after him, citing a 2004 statement from the USCCB: "Catholic institutions should not honor those who act in defiance of our fundamental moral principles."

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Politics/Elections; US: Delaware
KEYWORDS: biden; catholic; catholicpoliticians; catholicvote; obamabiden; usccb
Does Biden have a Catholic Problem?

No. He doesn't let Catholic get in the way of his pro-abortion, pro-socialist, anti-American viewpoints.

So therefore, Catholic is no problem for Biden.

1 posted on 09/13/2008 9:21:02 AM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

Beautiful Catholic vote video

2 posted on 09/13/2008 9:28:28 AM PDT by HokieMom (Pacepa : Can the U.S. afford a president who can't recognize anti-Americanism?)
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To: markomalley
I would say just the opposite.

Biden has a Catholic problem in BELIEVING and ACTING on Catholic teachings. Click the 'teachings' link in this spot.

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Abortion and Euthanasia

Sen. Joseph Biden (D-DE) Catholic politician who votes for abortion in contradiction to Church teachings. One of American Life League's "Deadly Dozen."

3 posted on 09/13/2008 9:37:15 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: markomalley
And the bishops definitely have a problem with Biden, Pelosi, et al.

Updated: American Bishops who have spoken against Pelosi

Here is the complete list of American bishops who have responded to Nancy Pelosi's comments so far:
  1. Archbishop Charles Chaput of Denver was the first American bishop to respond
  2. ... Bishop James Conley, his auxiliary, joined him
  3. Archbishop Donald Wuerl of Washington DC responded twice, first in a press release and second in a statement to The Hill. He has also appeared on Fox News, I am told.
  4. Cardinal Justin Regali of Philadelphia, chairman of the Committee on Pro-Life Activities, issued this statement through the USCCB website...
  5. ... Bishop William Lori of Bridgeport, chairman of the Committee on Doctrine, joined him
  6. Cardinal Edward Egan of New York publised a strongly worded statement of his own
  7. Bishop Samuel Aquila of Fargo issued a letter correcting Pelosi's claims
  8. Bishop David Zubik of Pittsburgh and...
  9. ... Bishop Michael Sheridan of Colorado Springs have chimed-in
  10. Archbishop Jose Gomez of San Antonio, CNA reports has added his voice ...
  11. ... Bishop Oscar Cantu, his auxiliary bishop, has joined him
  12. Bishop William Murphy of Rockville has published an extensive letter
  13. Bishop Edward Slattery of Tulsa has a detailed response
  14. Bishop Kevin Farrell of Dallas has joined the USCCB's efforts
  15. Bishop Gregory Aymond of Austin is on-board
  16. Cardinal Sean O'Malley of Boston mentions the USCCB on his blog
  17. Bishop Thomas Wenski of Orlando has written at length
  18. Archbishop John Nienstedt of Saint Paul/Minneapolis challenges Pelosi's statement
  19. Cardinal Francis George of Chicago, President of the US Bishops, has weighed-in
  20. Bishop Robert Vasa of Baker, OR publishes in the Catholic Sentinel
  21. Bishop Jerome Listecki of La Crosse, WI responds in a word document
  22. Bishop Richard Lennon of Cleveland, OH will comment in his September 5th column (PDF)
  23. Bishop Ralph Nickless of Sioux City, IA has one of the very best responses I've read
  24. Archbishop George Niederauer of San Francisco has invited Pelosi to a "conversation"
  25. Bishop Nicholas DiMarzio of Brooklyn: "Judging the Candidates"

{Last updated on September 10th.}


  • Previous #23 has been removed. Bishop Joseph Gossman of Raleigh, NC is actually the bishop emeritus, and the new bishop, Michael Burbidge has not, to my knowledge, made a personal statement.
  • Previous #16 has also been removed, it was an erroneous duplication of current #13.
  • #26 was added September 10th, although he published his column September 6th

4 posted on 09/13/2008 9:38:42 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: markomalley

“”Catholic institutions should not honor those who act in defiance of our fundamental moral principles.”

As in ‘bearing false witness’.....

Sen. Joseph Biden - Bearing false witness...

In 1972 Sen. Joseph Biden, the Democrat nominee for vice President, lost his wife and young daughter in a car accident. Losing your family in a auto accident is a gut wrenching tragedy, to be sure. No one underestimates that and no ever blamed Mrs. Biden for the accident.

Right up there with despicable things one human can do to another, is falsely accusing the innocent of a crime. “Bearing false witness” is even in the 10 commandments, but Mr. Biden’s feigned Catholicism doesn’t let that stop him.

Last night CBS Inside Addition reports, “In a striking moment in December 2007, he opened his heart to University of Iowa students. “Let me tell you a little story. My wife and three kids were Christmas shopping for a Christmas tree, a tractor trailer, a guy who allegedly, and I never pursued it, drank his lunch instead of eating his lunch, broadsided my family, killed my wife instantly, killed my daughter instantly, and hospitalized my two sons.”

Out on the stump recently and for years, Biden has repeated this charge. Lately, he has tried to soften it with the thought that he doesn’t know if the semi truck driver was drunk...., “ I never pursued it”. He didn’t follow the case about the death of his wife and child? Give me a break.

The court certainly did. The driver was never charged and was cleared of any wrong doing. Mrs. Biden, driving a station wagon full of kids and a Christmas tree pulled into the truck’s path. The driver, also a victim, had not been drinking and for the years before his death his reputation suffered with the false charge that Biden put out in the public for sympathy and political gain.

He will use his dead family and an innocent fellow American for his own personal profit. Don’t be surprised when he uses the rest of us.

5 posted on 09/13/2008 9:40:59 AM PDT by AuntB ( "During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act." - George Orwell)
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To: markomalley

I was shocked to see how measly Biden’s charitable deductions are over a 10 year period, $6300 give or take some change.

$630 a year?

It’s looks as though Biden does not put money in the collection each week, nor does he tithe. Does he go to Mass on Sunday or is he a CINO and uses Mass as a photo op along with a “membership” in a parish?

If he using his Catholicity as a polling point, I think we are entitled to know.

6 posted on 09/13/2008 9:43:15 AM PDT by OpusatFR (As we bicker about faith, the faithful are witnesses by their martyrdom.)
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Obama: “If they make a mistake, I don’t want them punished with a baby.”

7 posted on 09/13/2008 9:46:33 AM PDT by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: narses
A person cannot be a democrat and vote CATHOLIC. Or they can't remain a Catholic and vote DEMOCRAT. A plank of the Democratic platform endorse abortion in all forms. Thus, if a Catholic votes democrat they will consequently, unless they take steps to confess, repent and amend their ways, be excommunicated. Excommunicated means that they can NO longer receive Communion.

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1 Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured abortion. This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable. Direct abortion,

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2 Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense. The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life. "A

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2 From its conception, the child has the right to life. Direct abortion, that is, abortion willed as an end or as a means, is a "criminal" practice (GS 27 § 3),

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gravely opposed to the moral law when this is done with the thought of possibly inducing an abortion, depending upon the results: a diagnosis must not be the equivalent

8 posted on 09/13/2008 9:51:02 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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9 posted on 09/13/2008 9:52:03 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: OpusatFR
Liberals like Biden believe in charity as long as the government (i.e. someone else, namely you and me) is providing it.

They are the most wonderfully charitable people on earth when they are spending your money and mine to buy their own popularity and inflate their "caring" egos.

10 posted on 09/13/2008 9:52:36 AM PDT by cerberus
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To: markomalley

Biden has a drinking problem.

11 posted on 09/13/2008 9:55:22 AM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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To: markomalley
The writer paints the bishops extremists simply because they want Catholics to actually abide by their faith. She calls them extreme, yet doesn't acknowledge how out of step Biden is with traditional church teachings.

Yup, all the blame points to those damned extreme bishops.

12 posted on 09/13/2008 10:19:12 AM PDT by bushinohio
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To: markomalley

Does Biden have a Catholic Problem?

make that: “Should Biden have a Catholic Problem? “

And the answer would be “Yes.”

Then again: that problem should tie down Kennedy, Biden, Kerry, Miskowski, ..... But their bishops ignore teh issue.

13 posted on 09/13/2008 1:59:22 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Salvation

And Bishop Gregory of Atlanta, a notorious liberal, has ignored the matter.

14 posted on 09/13/2008 2:00:50 PM PDT by Robert A Cook PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: markomalley

The Bishops are only doing their job looking after Biden’s spiritual welfare by admonishing him. They don’t want to be held accountable for his blood—and the blood of those he misled—on Judgment Day.

15 posted on 09/13/2008 2:57:49 PM PDT by pray4liberty (Stand up and pray up!)
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