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Bishops to Biden: The Church is Clear on the Right to Life
Catholic Online ^
| 9/11/08
| Randy Sly
Posted on 09/10/2008 6:13:31 PM PDT by tcg
At last count, 26 bishops from the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops have made public statements concerning the recent theological statements by Vice Presidential Candidate Joseph Biden and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.
In her responses to corrections from the bishops, Speaker Pelosi has, thus far, maintained her resolve and conviction on the matter as being consistent with her Catholic Faith.Her own bishop has now called for a meeting to discuss the matter.
Just yesterday, Cardinal Justin F. Rigali, chairman of the U.S. Bishops Committee on Pro-Life Activities, and Bishop William E. Lori, chairman, U.S. Bishops Committee on Doctrine, issued the following statement regarding the growing confusion resulting from the actions of the two legislators:
Primarily driven by statements both made on 'Meet the Press,' the bishops have concluded that enough is enough. Once content to simply legislate, the pro-choice democrats have recently decided to theologize in a public forum. This has ultimately called the question:
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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortion; biden; bishops; catholic; election
"No human being should be treated as lacking human rights, and we have no business dividing humanity into those who are valuable enough to warrant protection and those who are not."
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posted on
09/10/2008 6:13:32 PM PDT
by
tcg
To: tcg
Blah, blah, blah. These CINOs have been in office 30+ years and if they dropped dead tonight, the RC would give them a full Catholic send-off to wherever they are heading.
To: tcg
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posted on
09/10/2008 6:17:39 PM PDT
by
narses
(...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
To: tcg; informavoracious; larose; RJR_fan; Prospero; Conservative Vermont Vet; V V Camp Enari 67-68; ..
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posted on
09/10/2008 6:18:11 PM PDT
by
narses
(...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
To: tcg; narses; cpforlife.org
Pelosi and Biden are engaged in a public campaign to distort the Church’s teachings on life and to endanger the most vulnerable and innocent human beings with mass murder.
They should be ex-communicated immediately and informed they will be denied Catholic burial.
To: tcg
"While in past centuries biological knowledge was often inaccurate, modern science leaves no excuse for anyone to deny the humanity of the unborn child. Protection of innocent human life is not an imposition of personal religious conviction but a demand of justice."I am anxiously awaiting the responses by Pelosi and Biden on this matter. I am curious about how people with disordered minds will rationalize and justify their warped and twisted view. Perhaps they will correct the thinking of the 26 bishops, or, they will accuse the bishops of breaking the law that separates church and state. We are waiting with baited breath...
Adult supervision for the Democratic Party has arrived in the form of reason and in the form of McCain/Palin.
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posted on
09/10/2008 6:30:56 PM PDT
by
olezip
To: tcg
Pelosi and Biden are trying to bend this in two ways:
(1) By pretending that the existence of life is a theological speculation, and not the biological reality which it is.
(2) By pretending that the Church's doctrine on the sanctity of life is not theologically definite.
But it is a biological fact that life begins at conception and the sanctity of human life is firmly theologically defined and not a matter of debate.
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posted on
09/10/2008 6:34:13 PM PDT
by
wideawake
(Why is it that those who like to be called Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
To: olezip
olezip said:
"... they will accuse the bishops of breaking the law that separates church and state. " Isn't it interesting that nobody has suggested that Pelosi and Biden have violated the "separation of church and state" by lying about Catholic teachings?
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posted on
09/10/2008 8:18:23 PM PDT
by
William Tell
(RKBA for California (rkba.members.sonic.net) - Volunteer by contacting Dave at rkba@sonic.net)
It is very fortuitous that Pelosi opened this can of worms completely and recently.
It will be very hard for them, Pelosi and Biden, now to ignore following it through.
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posted on
09/10/2008 8:21:13 PM PDT
by
D-fendr
(Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
To: tcg
This statement by the Bishops succinctly sums up the essentials. It is excellent.
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posted on
09/10/2008 8:21:18 PM PDT
by
mtntop3
To: tcg
This bishops have spoken out against Pelosi. It also applies to Biden.
Updated: American Bishops who have spoken against Pelosi
Here is the complete list of American bishops who have responded to Nancy Pelosi's comments so far:
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... Bishop James Conley, his auxiliary, joined him
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... Bishop William Lori of Bridgeport, chairman of the Committee on Doctrine, joined him
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Bishop David Zubik of Pittsburgh and...
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... Bishop Oscar Cantu, his auxiliary bishop, has joined him
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Cardinal
Francis George of Chicago, President of the US Bishops,
has weighed-in
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{Last updated on September 9th.}
Note: #23 has been removed. Bishop Joseph Gossman of Raleigh, NC is actually the bishop emeritus, and the new bishop, Michael Burbidge has not, to my knowledge, made a personal statement.
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posted on
09/10/2008 8:40:45 PM PDT
by
Salvation
(†With God all things are possible.†)
To: tcg
And another one:
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{Last updated on September 10th.}
Notes:
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Previous #23 has been removed. Bishop Joseph Gossman of Raleigh, NC is actually the bishop emeritus, and the new bishop, Michael Burbidge has not, to my knowledge, made a personal statement.
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Previous #16 has also been removed, it was an erroneous duplication of current #13.
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#26 was added September 10th, although he published his column September 6th
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posted on
09/10/2008 8:43:26 PM PDT
by
Salvation
(†With God all things are possible.†)
To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity; tcg; narses; MHGinTN
“They should be ex-communicated immediately and informed they will be denied Catholic burial.”
Yep. Once all the formal warnings and corrections and final warnings are done. Of course, Pelosi and Biden have had these positions for many years so that should be well past.
As bad as they are for the Government and the Nation at large they are Cancer in the Church and on the Culture. For their bishop's to let this “fade away” like it's been done so many times before would be the worst case scenario.
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posted on
09/10/2008 9:23:46 PM PDT
by
cpforlife.org
(A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available FREE at CpForLife.org)
To: cpforlife.org
Think ... why did Ananias and Sapphira fall dead; why did the Holy SPirit strike them down? ... For the others who needed to get the message.
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posted on
09/10/2008 9:40:33 PM PDT
by
MHGinTN
(Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
To: tcg
well then why don’t ya’ll excommunicate him
a strident abortionist would never be welcome in a serious southern charismatic congregation lest he/she were there to confess their sins
if Catholic was as hard on folks as they were once maybe thes pro-death Catholic politicians would flinch
it’s worth a try anyhow.
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posted on
09/10/2008 9:44:51 PM PDT
by
wardaddy
(Obama/Pol Pot 2008)
To: wardaddy
The Church is in a renewal badly needed since the late sixties and seventies. Once seen as compelling adherents to obey, the hierarchy then swung to the opposite extreme by nearly allowing an anything goes attitude.
Combine this with the blows she has suffered because of the abuse scandals and we get the timid leadership we have had over the past couple of decades.
But, faithful Catholics have been praying constantly and we are seeing her right herself. This is no different than when Martin Luther rightly accused the hierarchy of abuses over 500 years ago. The Church is perfect as, Jesus, her head is perfect. We who are the body are the imperfect ones and though Jesus leads us through the Holy Spirit, we must be ever vigilant against our sinful natures.
There is a saying, “It is an ill wind that blows no good.”
That the bishops are using this situation to reaffirm Catholic teaching about the sanctity of life is a good thing. That they may not be as forceful as we might like regarding excommunication or denial of communion to the likes of Pelosi and Biden et al, should not be our real concern.
Ultimately we are all going to stand before the Lord in judgment. The Church is responsible for teaching the truth. We are individually responsible for how we choose to follow and practice that truth.
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posted on
09/11/2008 9:37:57 AM PDT
by
Jvette
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