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1 posted on 09/10/2008 10:10:58 AM PDT by IrishMike
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To: IrishMike

Exactly. How is a cool tril a year not enough to eliminate “poverty” as we know it in this country? Nevermind that virtually all poor people in this country seem to have a roof over their heads with central air and heat, a tv, etc... Plus poor kids have a chance to go to a public school, which even if it isn’t that great, offers them a chance to work their way out of poverty and into the middle class, provided they are willing to work hard.


2 posted on 09/10/2008 10:18:07 AM PDT by Harry Wurzbach
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I did and it confirms what I've always believed: you can't fight a "war" against a non-entity, whether it's poverty, crime, terrorism, drugs, whatever. OK, you can declare -- through presidential proclamation, since Congress hasn't been involved since 1941 -- war on these things, but you'd be hard-pressed to ever declare victory.

That's the problem. Once begun, the war continues indefinitely, or until the nation becomes bankrupt as a result.

3 posted on 09/10/2008 10:19:17 AM PDT by logician2u
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To: IrishMike

Clearly the way to get ahead is to get yourself on the other side of one of these “Transfers of Wealth”, either as a contractor or impoverished soul.


4 posted on 09/10/2008 10:19:42 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: IrishMike

I guessed the subject of the article from the title.

There was a disturbance in the Force.


5 posted on 09/10/2008 10:21:19 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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You will never get rid of poverty....no matter how much you spend. Poverty has been around since the beginning of time and will remain. Throw all the money you want at it and it will always be there as long as people get a hand out. We throw money at abortion but there are some in the inner city that use abortion as birth control and the tax payer pays for it. We throw money at lunch programs for kids when it’s the parents that should be feeding the kids. Even at that, the schools throw tons of food away because the kids won’t eat it. We need to rethink all of our tax programs and get rid of the give aways.


6 posted on 09/10/2008 10:23:13 AM PDT by RC2
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"In 2005, $620 billion was spent ..."

if you figure the lowest 10% of the population is 'poor' then that is equal to about $24,000 for every PERSON

or...almost $100,000 for a family of 4

we have the wealthiest POOR people in the world.

7 posted on 09/10/2008 10:24:28 AM PDT by Mr. K (Some days even my lucky rocketship underpants don't help)
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One of Rush's "undeniable truths of life": Whatever you subsidize you will get more of.

You subsidize dairy and you get warehouses full of milk, butter and cheese.

You subsidize grains (corn, soybeans, wheat, etc.) and you get rotting mountains of it.

The list could go on.

8 posted on 09/10/2008 10:24:31 AM PDT by KriegerGeist (Lifetime member of the "Christian-Radical-Right-Wing-Conspirators")
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What do we get for it?

Less beggars, Less homeless, Less abandoned children, Less crime, Lower unemployment figures, People live longer, healthier, and educated. Higher drug dependency (legal, and illegal.

9 posted on 09/10/2008 10:25:12 AM PDT by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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27K per year per poor person? It’s a shame NO ONE in this country knows this.

I have family members that work very hard for less than this per year.


10 posted on 09/10/2008 10:26:09 AM PDT by servantoftheservant (`)
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ping


12 posted on 09/10/2008 10:30:00 AM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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There aren't any poor people in the United States. You want to see poor, you need to come overseas. I'll show you some poor people. People with no hope of education, no hope of working their way up. I'm angered and quite frankly embarrassed when Americans complain about their standards of living. We have it so good, that even the poorest among us is blessed to live in the U.S.

Americans would be shocked cold if they realized how bad much of the world has it. Could we do better? Sure. But this constant harping over 'the poor and the middle class' in America is appalling. It's raw envy, and the instigation of envy, and no matter how good things get, people will always want more.

14 posted on 09/10/2008 10:31:06 AM PDT by Steel Wolf (The diamonds in Sarah Palin's earrings were crushed with her own hands.)
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Some charts on welfare and the difference after ‘welfare reform:

http://www.neoperspectives.com/summary.htm


15 posted on 09/10/2008 10:32:16 AM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Ron_Paul_2008.htm)
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Edgar K. Browning hates Black people.





16 posted on 09/10/2008 10:33:02 AM PDT by Condor51 (I have guns in my nightstand because a Cop won't fit)
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To: IrishMike
But low-income persons receive benefits from other government programs that are not designated as welfare programs. Most notably, they receive benefits from Social Security, Medicare, and the public school system.

He's using the cost of these programs to increase the his numbers for the cost of the war on poverty. But social security and public schools are available to anyone, not just the poor. Using this logic, you could include part of the cost of paying for the military into the cost of the war on poverty, since the military also protects the poor from foreign invasion.

17 posted on 09/10/2008 10:33:39 AM PDT by Citizen Blade (What would Ronald Reagan do?)
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There's a great book on one part of this topic.

America’s Trillion-Dollar Housing Mistake The Failure of American Housing Policy

For more than seven decades, American government has acted to provide housing for the poor. In America’s Trillion-Dollar Housing Mistake, Howard Husock explains how, as with so many anti-poverty efforts, low-income housing programs have harmed those they were meant to help while causing grave collateral damage to cities and their citizens. Public housing projects, Mr. Husock writes, are only the best-known housing policy mistakes.

18 posted on 09/10/2008 10:34:15 AM PDT by syriacus (FIRST check out the Alaska state webpages. THEN tell me that governing Alaska is easy.)
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If a trillion dollars were simply given to those counted as poor by the federal government (37 million in 2005), it would amount to $27,000 per person. That’s $81,000 for a family of three,

Wow.

20 posted on 09/10/2008 10:38:06 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (G-d is not a Republican. But Satan is definitely a Democrat.)
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To: IrishMike

bump


21 posted on 09/10/2008 10:38:21 AM PDT by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: IrishMike

It’s about time this was brought to the surface and thrust onto the national stage.

IMO, the “war on Poverty” has been a colossal failure.

We now have 4-5 generations of people who actually think that they sould have been paid by FEMA last week to leave New Orleans.

I am tired of trashing the people in this country who are accomplished and praising those who cannot do anything for themselves.


23 posted on 09/10/2008 10:44:41 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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“What do we get for it?” Socialist Democrats get a vote to keep them in power. They need people to be dependent upon government.


24 posted on 09/10/2008 10:48:03 AM PDT by SQUID
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LBJ's Great Society: 40 Years Later - (FR thread from 2005)

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In the fifties, although blacks were still struggling for equal opportunities and were on the low end of the economic ladder, the black family was for the most part strong and stable. Two parent families were the rule, not the exception. They attended church together, had strong moral values, and did not comprise a majority of the prison population.

Compare that to the present state of the black community after 40 years of Liberal Socialism.

Our prisons are disproportionably black, unwed mothers and single parent families are the rule, black youths without a strong male role model other than rap stars and basketball players, roam the streets and are drawn into a culture of drugs and crime.

The following statistics are provided by Star Parker's Coalition of Urban Renewal, (CURE).

*60 percent of black children grow up in fatherless homes.

*800,000 black men are in jail or prison.

*70 percent of black babies are born to unwed mothers.

*Over 300,000 black babies are aborted annually.

*50 percent of new AIDS cases are in the black community.

*Almost half of young black men in America's cities are neither working nor in school. What we have here is a ticking time bomb waiting to explode.

What was the message of the social programs that came out of LBJ's Great Society? One of the most devastating to the family was that if an unwed woman became pregnant, moved out of the home of her parents, did not name or know who the father was, then Big Daddy in Washington would provide for all her essential needs. Ergo she no longer needed a husband or the support of her family.

In fact, the more children she had out of wedlock, the more money she would receive from the government. This program was the death knell for many families, especially in the black community.

Unfortunately many black men saw this as the best of all possible worlds. They could father as many children as they wanted, from multiple women, without ever having to accept the responsibility of fatherhood.

Many women rejected marriage in favor of a boyfriend who could slip in the back door and not jeopardize her government check.

-snip-

26 posted on 09/10/2008 11:04:51 AM PDT by Ken H
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