Posted on 09/10/2008 8:10:53 AM PDT by Scythian
I believe is a major mistake by the McCain camp. They could have let the 'Pig' comment go and been endeared even further. But now, they are taking on the victim status and seem small and petty, and as if they are using this as a way to avoid talking about issues. This response is going to cause Obama to take back the lead again in the polls.
McCain is putting the pressure on Obama and keeping it on. Why shouldn’t he, given how discombobulated and gaffe-prone Obama gets when he is criticized.
I hope McCain keeps it up because I am consumed with curiosity about what this doofus Democrat candidate will do next. I think lots of people are curious, in a pass-the-popcorn sort of way.
If you do a search on google news for “Obama Pig” you’ll notice there are some local papers that are titling their article “Obama calls Palin a Pig”.
It doesn’t matter what Obama intended (although I do think he was referring to Palin), it will eventually go down in the public’s mind that he did.
Is he leaving it to the base, then let’s get to work.
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Who has said "poor me?" (red herring)
I don't think Palin should directly respond on this.
In the late 19th-century our geographic ancestors often labeled Native Americans as "savages." Had you been present back then to "coach" Native Americans one by one, your advice to "stay above the fray" to each would have been fine. "Turn the other ear" is certainly close enough to "turn the other cheek." I think we should all do that whenever possible when directly personally attacked.
But I think when our neighbors are verbally attacked, we aren't "playing the victim" by defending them. We are actually treating them in a neighborhly way -- something Native Americans didn't receive much from their white and Hispanic neighbors back yonder.
If someone called your Jewish neighbor names, by all means, let your neighbors do the noble thing and not directly respond. But then let us do the noble things as neighbors and defend our neighbors from such attacks. (Could you please explain exactly how me defending my Jewish neighbor converts me into a "victim?")
In context he was saying that McCain talking about change is like putting lipstick on a pig, it’s still a pig. I’ve heard the phrase many times in my life.
You know, you've twisted the context. Because you can't have true context unless you figure in the audience. Dennis Prager covered this on his show this morning -- that he as a speaker is in touch with his audience and if they were laughing in misinterpreting what he was saying, he would correct it right away.
What happened here instead? Obama finished his punchline--after having paused after "it's still a pig."
Why the pause? Because there's raucous audience laughter.
Now why is there raucous audience laughter? Because they knew right away who & what he was saying.
Since you say you've heard this phrase in your life many times, how many of those times did its mere mention provoke raucous laughter & cheering?
...stay above the fray. Why lower yourself to their level?...You can only be offended if you let yourself be offended.
As I've already indicated, this is...
...excellent advice to a person who is under verbal attack....
...but terrible advice to their friends, neighbors and fellow citizens of such people - upon whom all of us rest the necessity of elevating civil discourse in the public square.
For those who, like Obama, say that we need to stick on the "issues," why is how we treat people not one of those "issues?" How we treat people is a character issue? And since when is character beyond how voters weigh candidates?
Yes, don't depart from broader issues. But let's not try to hit rewind buttons as if how somebody treats one another never happened. In fact, those kind of presidents make me awful nervous...kind of like Presidents who liked to record telephone conversations but had this strange 18-minute gap in one of them during a certain President-quitting scandal called "Watergate."
I understand it from the perspective of politics. I find that political discourse is a lot like a argument within the family where the topic does not necessarily denote the maturity of the arguments made. Like when you argue with a child and find yourself coming down to his/her level to make your point, yet you never intended to do it that way. It happens as a response to what the other said or did.
The closer the election gets, the more I am inclined to simply desire the win at any costs, in order to deny the win to the MSM and their Messiah. I don't like McCain and have been tossing rocks at him for twenty years, but to allow the MSM their second victory, after their success in promoting the withdrawal from the Vietnam war when we never lost any battles, gives me stomach pain that I can't describe.
I'm content to watch the politics play out, and will do my thing in November, yet I cannot get excited about the candidates on our side, and have few expectations of anything good coming out of it. But knowing the disaster that awaits us on the other side of a Obama win, I must vote for anyone in opposition, regardless of the politics.
;^)
The pig reference by Obama should be taken in a much more serious light... after all, Muslims HATE pigs....so he is taking a bigger slap than he is getting credit for.
It actually has worked out perfectly. The McCain campaign released the ad, which release would be noted by those wanting a response to Obambi, and CBS requested it be taken down because of the Perky One.
It’s all good.
Now forward.
I think the McCain camp made a mistake by acting offended. What they should have done is shown that Obama is copying the things McCain says, and pretending they are his own words.
My thoughts exactly.
Now, don’t get me wrong. I don’t want to be the one who trumps up an innocent mistake.
However, clearly there was more “there” there than in the macaca comment-—precisely and only because Palin had just become famous for a lipstick comment.
So, to me, it’s not whether Obambi did or did not call or allude to Palin as a pig. It’s that his use of this idiom *at this time in this campaign* shows a distinct lack of political intuition and skill.
Once one’s opponent becomes famously linked with lipstick (or any other thing), one then has to be extremely disciplined about how one refers to and talks about lipstick.
IOW, only an idiot with a horrendously tin political ear would not realize that talking about putting lipstick on a pig had a 100% likelihood of being construed within the context previously created by one’s opponent.
IOW, Obambi made a very dumb mistake and it is the dumbness, not the mistake, that is noteworthy.
I think they should have had footage of the ‘68 DNC riots, with kids attacking police, with the voiceover saying:
“What is it with these people, always calling other ‘pigs’?”
If BO did not intentionally call SP a pig, He sure is dumb to add that old joke to his speech right after SP hit a home run with that ad lib Joke at the convention. I thought he was so smart............
So, I would bring all three up but then drop it quickly. A lot of women are offended but no need to belabor the point.
Americans do not like mean people. They never put up with bad treatment of women and children. It only solidifies the crudeness of the dems this election cycle in American minds.
Even if they do not change their vote to republican, good people will have a tougher time going to vote for him. I mean really is this they type of man who should be president that makes these types of statements?
All I am saying is that lets not dwell on this. We all saw this coming. Just let them spout off, they are imploding let them.
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