From 1980. I remember that Time Magazine had a great photo (I couldn't find the Time photo) of what happened at Lake Peigneur
Your words of comfort notwithstanding, I think our nation's peppers are in grave danger...:-)
Posted on 08/30/2008 3:25:36 AM PDT by HAL9000
Freakin’ Awsome! Thanks for the link!
You are right. Passing just to the west of NOLA would be far worse than that same distance to the east of even a direct hit.
The question is the actual path... which only God knows right now.
He didn’t say Katrina was a Cat 5 when it hit land, “just at one point”.....C
I said that Katrina was “a cat 5 at one point”. That was absolutely correct, and your criticism absolutely incorrect.
It weakened to a strong cat-3 just before it hit land. But it had built up a strong storm surge from when it was more powerful as it swept toward land.
At one point, Katrina was the strongest storm in the history of the Gulf. Nobody is predicting Gustav will get that strong. At one point, Katrina had winds of over 175 miles an hour.
If Gustav had remained a cat 3 towards landfall and hit as a cat-2, it would have been significantly weaker than Katrina.
Even as a cat-4, Gustav is nowhere near the power of Katrina.
Could Gustav get stronger? Sure. but based on the information at the time I wrote my post, my observation was accurate.
From 1980. I remember that Time Magazine had a great photo (I couldn't find the Time photo) of what happened at Lake Peigneur
Your words of comfort notwithstanding, I think our nation's peppers are in grave danger...:-)
***There are busses already here in the city (N.O.) and pick up points for all neighborhoods in the city have been announced.The La. National Guard is already in place here is the City as well. I see a completely different response this time.***
I heard your REPUBLICAN governor on radio this morning telling people to BE PREPARED. He said what the government is doing, and he said not to think that because your home survived last time that it will survive this time. He’s on it! (This northerner thinks he has a beautiful voice, by the way.)
Yea.. but, most of the models I’m seeing now show Gustav as being a weak 4 or strong 3 when it makes landfall.... that, would do some severe damage..
Lots’s of refineries and chemical plants can survive a 2, but get really really hurt with a 3 or 4.
Structurally, Gustav is looking pretty darn healthy... and, HUGE! This is a really BIG storm, and there’s no telling how tight it might wind up before it hits... I just hope, it doesn’t stall!
The storm has gotten worse than had been predicted this morning, to be sure. The hope now is that it similarly changes to be less bad before it hits.
I just don’t see much chance of weakening now.. just the opposite, it’s likely to get a bit stronger now. Yesterday, there was a fair amount of upper wind shear that was disrupting the structure.... today, there are outflows in all directions..
Now.. it’s just a crapshoot... 50 miles in either direction will make a HUGE difference in how much damage is done. If it shifts just a little to the west, New Orleans will be spared a LOT of pain.. but, right now.. it’s moving FAST, on a line that looks pretty bad for NO.
My heart goes out to them....
Well.. looks like it stayed pretty much the same... some drier air snuck into the circulation yesterday... Thanks to the improved shear conditions, it didn’t weaken much... but, it has seemed to get a little smaller, and certainly didn’t get stronger.
New Orleans looks like it will get harder than it did with Katrina, actually.... we’ll just have to see how the levees hold up.
The track it’s on looks to be the worst for Baton Rouge and Lafayette.. That’s the one area that really didn’t get hit with Katrina and Rita. So, now..I guess ALL of Louisiana is gonna look ripped up. :-(
One of the Dem senators was on this morning, saying that Bush’s errors allowed New Orleans to flood.
Whatever lies you can think of for saying Bush wasn’t prepared to help those in need, it takes a complete idiot to think that Bush caused the levees to collapse, or that better FEMA leadership would have kept the levees from falling over.
And if the levees are overtopped again, the Dems will blame Bush, even though the height of the walls is not his fault.
Sandwich Dodd made my blood boil.
Sandwich Dodd claimed the Bush Admin. LET NO DROWN 3 years ago!
Why should this garbage be accepted as politics as usual?
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=3-DhzSqG9lw
Yea.. Katrina is probably the hardest “Bush sucks” debate to win with anyone.... So many people are just woefully ignorant of how the relationship between State and Federal government works in these things.
I try to get people to admit that, the Fed response (once it arrived) was tremendous, and completely adequate... but, was late in coming.
Then, I remind them.. immediate, emergency response in the responsibility of state and local gov’s.
Still though... it was ALL Bush’s fault. Not the corrup levee boards, not Nagin and his 2000 flooded buses, not Blanco- who WOULDN’T SIGN a request for Federal assistance.. nope.. all W’s fault.
The whole thing drove me crazy.
The superdome worked perfectly. Thousands of people who would have been out in a hurricane instead had a roof over their heads, and food and water and blankets and most of all, SECURITY for 3 days while they figured out how to get them moved to more comfortable surroundings.
Of course, Geraldo was there screaming “get those people out”, as if they were trapped — but the simply truth is that until they were moved, there really wasn’t a better place for them, and they all survived with an interesting story to tell.
Of course, New Orleans survived the hurricane. IT wasn’t until later when the old levees, built way before Bush thought of running for President, built by corrupt politicians and unions, collapsed, causing the sigh of relief to be replaced by screams of “Bush’s fault”.
The biggest problem then being that too many people didn’t evacuate, so we had that national guard rescue thousands stuck on their roofs — not from the hurricane, but from the flood caused by the bad levee collapse.
And in fact, that levee could have collapsed at ANY time. A strong rainstorm could have caused it — and if it had collapsed on some random night, while the entire city slept, tens of thousands may have died.
We were NOT prepared for New Orleans to be under water while a good portion of southern Mississippi was wiped out.
But also, Bush failed at that point. When we needed a leader, he finally collapsed under the weight of the negative attacks by the democrats, and his own loss of his own base because of Harriet Myers.
You could see it in his eyes the night he spoke from New Orleans — he wasn’t the confident commander in chief, he was a scared beaurocrat.
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