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USMC Wannabe Blues (Army: Greens out, Blues in)
Strategy Page ^ | 8/22/08

Posted on 08/24/2008 4:26:16 PM PDT by Dawnsblood

After a century of green uniforms, the last one is being retired from the U.S. Army. The new "Class A" uniform, as of August 21st, 2008, will be the current blue "Dress Uniform.". By 2010, troops graduating from basic training will be issued the "dress blues" as their "Class A" uniform. The "Class B" uniform will be the dress blue trousers and a white shirt with decorations (ribbons, combat badge and so on). For both enlisted and officers, rank will be worn on epaulets. The new uniform "system" is similar to the one the U.S. Marine Corps has been wearing for decades, and that's no accident.

All this in response to decades old efforts by the troops, to drop the green "Class A" uniform (green jacket and pants, with light brown shirt and tie) and go to something, anything, more impressive.. The new Class A uniform is simply the existing dress uniform. This uniform, unlike the green Class A's, that were introduced in 1954, is based on the 19th century dress uniform. Most enlisted troops do not have the dress blue uniform, because they have to buy it themselves, and that is optional for most troops. But over the next six years, the old Class A will be phased out completely.

All this is the result of longstanding "uniform envy" soldiers have had for marines. The USMC has always sported the most impressive dress uniform, and young enlisted marines were glad to spend at least $300 to buy themselves one. The marine "Class A" uniform is also green, but a darker green, and the jacket is worn with a belt. This looks much snappier, and many soldiers have suggested something like this for a new army Class A uniform. But many career army types have been campaigning for a spiffier Class A uniform, and something in blue, preferably with a belted jacket. But instead of a new uniform design, the army simply made the current dress blues the new Class As. The dress blues have been around for a long time, and have a good reputation. That doesn't mean that a belt cannot be added down the road. The important thing right now is to dump those hideous green Class As, which have embarrassed several generations of soldiers.

The Class A uniform is not actually worn that much, with most troops wearing BDUs (Battle Dress Uniform, with the camouflage pattern) or the Class A uniform without the jacket, when at work. The BDUs come in several different shades, none of them featuring much green. So after a century, the green is gone. The army is also eliminating the all white tropical dress uniform, which was rarely used.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: army; bdu; bdus; change; dod; dressblues; dressgreens; marines; uniforms; usarmy; usmilitary
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To: SJSAMPLE
The one uniform that the Navy reall has is the black one. What is that unform?

If it was a suit & jacket type with an officers type cover rather than the dixie cup yea that's the beast. Era early to mid 1970's and gone Navy wide by mid 1980 thank goodness.

81 posted on 08/24/2008 5:41:20 PM PDT by cva66snipe ($.01 The current difference between the DEM's and GOP as well as their combined worth to this nation)
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To: Ronin
Meanwhile, the ACU has been received very poorly. Blown out crotch seams, and other problems. The Army is beginning to search for the ACU replacement which happens to be one of the finalists in the bidding on the ACU, Multicam: ACU: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ground/acu.htm Multicam: or
82 posted on 08/24/2008 5:42:48 PM PDT by SFC Chromey (We are at war with Islamofascists inside and outside our borders, now ACT LIKE IT!)
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To: NTHockey

So, the USMC doesn’t teach the history of its uniforms origins?

Other away around, my friend.
Other way around.


83 posted on 08/24/2008 5:42:59 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: centurion316

The stripe will stay for officers (double stripe for generals), as it makes knowing when to salute (and when to behave) so much easier. Its been on the greens all along and I think most who wear the ACUs agree that it is annoying to not be able to identify an officer from afar to pay proper respects.


84 posted on 08/24/2008 5:43:02 PM PDT by Notwithstanding ("You are either with America in our time of need or you are not" - Hillary from Senate well 9/12/01)
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To: cva66snipe

No, I just saw a guy wearing one at the Meridian airport (near NAS Meridian) about two years ago.

I didn’t see the cover, but it was a really sharp looking uniform.


85 posted on 08/24/2008 5:44:33 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: Notwithstanding

Why they didn’t make either you or me Chief of Staff of the Army is beyond my understanding.


86 posted on 08/24/2008 5:45:52 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: Dawnsblood

87 posted on 08/24/2008 5:48:56 PM PDT by Gritty (An unarmed man must depend on someone else to defend him and then becomes their subject- Machievelli)
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To: SJSAMPLE

>>, the USMC doesn’t teach the history of its uniforms origins?

Other away around, my friend.
Other way around.<<

I well remember the USMC history classes at Parris Island. The article clearly states that it was the soldiers who had “uniform envy” of Marine Dress Blues.

I stand by my comments. FWIW, both Army and Marines have worn blue uniforms since The War Between the States. Only the Army chose to go all green.


88 posted on 08/24/2008 5:50:42 PM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners.)
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To: SoCalPol

Lighten up. There has always been cross services ribbin. I guarantee all of your relatives who have served, those who rolled into Baghdad, Battled at Chosin all have heard the same stuff, it is normal.


89 posted on 08/24/2008 5:52:36 PM PDT by aft_lizard (One animal actually its eats its own brains to conserve energy, we call them liberals.)
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To: centurion316

I agree.

https://www.peosoldier.army.mil/factsheets/SEQ_CIE_ASU.pdf

This is a good page, but I think the gray shirt for daily wear has been nixed.


90 posted on 08/24/2008 5:55:07 PM PDT by Notwithstanding ("You are either with America in our time of need or you are not" - Hillary from Senate well 9/12/01)
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To: Dawnsblood; Pharmboy
Going to have to agree with the army on this one. There is only ONE color for an army uniform (other than field camo):

Bringing back the gold vest would also be nice.

91 posted on 08/24/2008 5:57:22 PM PDT by Clemenza (Happiness is a Union Thug Getting Clubbed on the Head)
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To: NTHockey

As they say, “There’s history and then there’s USMC history.”

USMC uniforms began as cobbled uniforms taken from US Army uniforms. Look at the pants, as it’s obvious to anyone not parroting what they heard in boot.

And, FWIW, the Army had khaki class A/b uniforms and blue dress uniforms. I don’t know where you heard it, but the Army never went “all green”. We ditched the khakis for green and kept the blue dress uniforms. Now, they’re ditching the green so they can use the blue dress uniform in place of both.

It’s a bad decision, but the facts are nothing close to what you’re posting.


92 posted on 08/24/2008 5:57:39 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: Dawnsblood

Goodbye Crest Toothpaste green shirts! Halleluja!


93 posted on 08/24/2008 5:58:41 PM PDT by Dionysius
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To: Dawnsblood

What I have seen of Marines, they make anything look good !!!!!!


94 posted on 08/24/2008 6:00:19 PM PDT by Kimmers (Liberalism: Where fun goes to die)
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To: SJSAMPLE
173rd has a pretty good war story for their grandchildren : There we were JUMPING IN .
95 posted on 08/24/2008 6:00:29 PM PDT by kbennkc (What passes for optimism is most often an intellectual error)
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To: kbennkc

Yep.
And a ton of REMFs tried really hard to edge combat soldiers out of their combat jump.

Now, the Ranger assault on that airfield was a true combat jump.


96 posted on 08/24/2008 6:02:55 PM PDT by SJSAMPLE
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To: big'ol_freeper

My first assignment with the Army was Hawaii.
I bought dress whites instead of the blues. Dress whites were acceptable in the tropics.

I looked like an ice cream salesman.

I still have them and half of me would now fit in them.


97 posted on 08/24/2008 6:04:52 PM PDT by american_ranger (Never ever use DirecTV)
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To: Dawnsblood

OUT damned pickle suit... Nobody liked that that piece of polyester shite. That was one piece I never wanted to be seen in. Looked like I was a bus driver, or sellin used cars.


98 posted on 08/24/2008 6:05:58 PM PDT by DariusBane (Obamessiah the Assholian do not deny Him. (K-oneTexas creates assholian))
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To: Clemenza
Bringing back the gold vest would also be nice.

Its not a gold vest, its a buff waistcoat. Buff, the color of untanned leather, is today known as tan or khaki. Its the current branch color of the Quartermaster Corps, but in the American Revolution was used as the facing color for a number of regiments and from 1779 as the color of the command and staff of the Continental Army, hence the appearance of George Washington is this costume.

99 posted on 08/24/2008 6:06:00 PM PDT by centurion316
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To: Dawnsblood

I’ll have my retirement in Greens. The Blues look like a cross between the Shriners uniform and the Fire Department Dress. In my opinion, we never should have modified the khaki uniform or gotten rid of it. I’ll be glad to leave the velcro army behind, at least the uniform BS aspect of it.


100 posted on 08/24/2008 6:07:14 PM PDT by MSF BU (++)
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