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Opinion: Doug Kmiec on McCain v. Obama at Saddleback
Catholic Online ^ | 8/18/08 | Douglas W. Kmiec

Posted on 08/18/2008 5:05:54 PM PDT by tcg

....The Obama campaign had thoughtfully arranged for my wife and myself to attend the forum, and we did – well, sort of. When we arrived with plenty of time, the church grounds were “locked down” and we never did make it inside. The Sheriff’s Department was confronted at the entrance with loud and sometimes unruly protest. Many protesting were carrying large pictures of unborn or aborted babies.

As a pro-life Catholic, I understand that one way to instruct about evil is to unmask its ugliness. Abortion is ugly. And so for the next two hours we were subjected to one bloody photo or another being thrust into our face as one epithet or another was hurled at Senator Obama. There was also a contingent of yellow-tee-shirted protestors proclaiming marriage to be between one man and one woman, to which as Catholics we also concur....

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortion; catholic; catholicvote; kmiec; obama; saddleback
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To: tcg

That Kmiec sold out is not the question, it’s “What was his price”?


41 posted on 08/18/2008 8:23:33 PM PDT by Eagles6 ( Typical White Guy: Christian, Constitutionalist, Heterosexual, Redneck)
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To: tcg
Let`s cut to the chase....the term “pro abortion/pro choice Christian” is simply a oxymoron. Being pro choice/pro abortion, is a disqualifier from the Christian faith. Anybody that holds the view of pro choice/pro abortion does not have the Spirit of Christ within them.

Those that hold those views might just as well eat drink and be merry, because they wont enter the Kingdom of God.

42 posted on 08/18/2008 8:52:02 PM PDT by Friendofgeorge (Obama on the other hand does not know the Lord Jesus, and is only the Lords enemy)
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To: paudio

If you are calling Doug Kmiec a communist, you are way off the mark.


43 posted on 08/18/2008 8:56:25 PM PDT by karnage
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To: karnage
If you are calling Doug Kmiec a communist, you are way off the mark.

Don't try to put words into my mouth. I'm simply stating that many leftist theologians, communists, Muslims, etc., have those qualities.

44 posted on 08/18/2008 11:00:00 PM PDT by paudio (Kerry had Global Test, Obama has Global Tax.)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
This is mind-boggling to those of us who know Doug or have followed his career. Doug's support of Obama and his nuanced analysis on abortion is one of the biggest disappointments of this entire election season (you know the other one!). ;-)

I think Doug and others like him are terribly misguided when they include social concerns like racism, immigration and health care under the "culture of life" umbrella. That's not a fatal flaw, in and of itself, until they elevate those causes to the same level of importance as the abortion issue. It's clear that they are sadly confused when they find a moral equivalence between their positions on those other social justice issues and the non-negotiable right to life.

45 posted on 08/18/2008 11:48:37 PM PDT by redgirlinabluestate
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To: Mrs. Don-o

I think it was you who pointed out that the intellectual meltdown necessary to justify contraception distorts one’s perception of everything else. Or maybe it was Pope John Paul.

Or perhaps the gentleman has pernicious anemia and Vitamin B-6 deficiency.


46 posted on 08/19/2008 2:43:29 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Obama: Can't kill the innocent fast enough, can't free the guilty soon enough!~ Diana in WI)
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To: therut
He is so intelligent he blames the firearm.

"Willful ignorance" is the phrase that comes to mind in this context, too. Irrespective of a person's IQ or SAT scores, there's something not-quite-sane about refusing to admit facts that contradict one's preconceptions.

47 posted on 08/19/2008 4:44:23 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Obama: Can't kill the innocent fast enough, can't free the guilty soon enough!~ Diana in WI)
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To: tcg

I for one am sick of hearing from this jerk kmiec. I don’t give a damn what he has to say. What he WAS means nothing to me. What he IS does mean something. He is a phony who wants to put a baby murderer in the White House. He is there for my enemy.


48 posted on 08/19/2008 5:20:21 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: karnage
He is an extremely intelligent, experienced, thoughtful man who attends daily Mass. He does support Obama, which baffles me.

Oxymoron alert!

49 posted on 08/19/2008 7:05:27 AM PDT by mc5cents (Show me just what Mohammd brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman)
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To: karnage
Dear karnage,

“If you are calling Doug Kmiec a communist, you are way off the mark.”

Communist? No.

But “lying baby murderer” seems to fit.

Or "judas."

Perhaps "sellout." We're all wondering how he was compensated for the sale of his soul.


sitetest

50 posted on 08/19/2008 7:16:19 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: tcg; Salvation; narses; cpforlife.org; MHGinTN; Caleb1411
After declaring abortion to be intrinsically wrongful, the Catholic mind too often closes itself to all but one means – the reversal of Roe -- of addressing it. Like McCain’s un-nuanced understanding of evil this incomplete thought plays into, if not stokes, the “us v. them” mentality.

I don't know if this ignorance arises from too many years in the ivory tower or ideological blindness.

One example among thousands like it: Cradle of Hope, which I've supported for decades, is a crisis pregnancy center that in its more than 30 years of existence has given over 16,000 women and their babies grants totaling over $3,000,000.

When Cradle of Hope's annual statement arrives, it's packed with the names of Catholic churches and organizations (and parishioners, although they're not identified as such) who have donated time and money to COH. Catholics are and always have been in the front lines helping women to choose life and helping them pick up the pieces when they've chosen abortion.

Kmiec doesn't know his tuchis from first base on this issue.

51 posted on 08/19/2008 10:08:28 AM PDT by rhema ("Break the conventions; keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: Tax-chick
I, unfortunately, am not a person with a whole lot of intuitive insight into human nature. That said, I do always tend to mitigate the blame in cases by this by assuming that, since at this point he's not really arguing coherently, either he had a traumatic personal experience that he's reacting to irrationally, or, literally, his mind is failing.

People should try to reason with him, though. And I mean persistently and challengingly. Unless and until it becomes clear that he's a victim of amyloid-beta plaque.

52 posted on 08/19/2008 10:10:20 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o ("Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a great battle." - Philo of Alexandria)
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To: paudio

In your post #34, you seemed to link Mr. Kmiec with communism. My apologies if I misunderstood. That’s why I put the word “If” in my post.


53 posted on 08/19/2008 10:52:24 AM PDT by karnage
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To: Mrs. Don-o
People should try to reason with him, though. And I mean persistently and challengingly.

I agree.

54 posted on 08/19/2008 11:46:48 AM PDT by Tax-chick (Obama: Can't kill the innocent fast enough, can't free the guilty soon enough!~ Diana in WI)
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To: Jeff Chandler

The minute you hear a person who claims to be Catholic utter the word “social justice” in any context other than mockingly, believe me the person (even if he wears a collar or a habit) is off the plantation. Its not about Catholicism but liberalism.

Catholicism teaches compassion not hatred, and its most disturbing that he assumes everyone there protesting Fauxbama with anger and vulgarness are somehow tied to the Church.


55 posted on 08/19/2008 11:53:03 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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