Posted on 08/18/2008 9:35:10 AM PDT by GodGunsGuts
With five seats on the State Board of Education up for grabs this year, education advocates say how children learn about evolution hangs in the balance -- and who voters choose could affect Kansas' national reputation.
A frequent flip-flop between moderate and conservative majorities on the 10-member board has resulted in the state changing its science standards four times in the past eight years.
Conservatives have pushed for standards casting doubt on evolution, and moderates have said intelligent design does not belong in the science classroom.
In 2007, a new 6-4 moderate majority removed standards that called evolution into question.
This year, none of the three moderates whose seats are up for election are running again. Only one of the two conservative incumbents is running for re-election...
(Excerpt) Read more at kansas.com ...
Cases?
“Ultimately it comes down to the alternative: What came first? Creative Reason, the Creator Spirit who makes all things and gives them growth, or Unreason, which, lacking any meaning, strangely enough brings forth a mathematically ordered cosmos, as well as man and his reason. The latter, however, would then be nothing more than a chance result of evolution and thus, in the end, equally meaningless. As Christians, we say: I believe in God the Father, the Creator of heaven and earth. I believe in the Creator Spirit. We believe that at the beginning of everything is the eternal Word, with Reason and not Unreason.”
— Pope Benedict XVI
Proof: Except for math and geometry, there is little that is actually proved. Even well-established scientific theories can't be conclusively proved, because--at least in principle--a counter-example might be discovered. Scientific theories are always accepted provisionally, and are regarded as reliable only because they are supported (not proved) by the verifiable facts they purport to explain and by the predictions which they successfully make. All scientific theories are subject to revision (or even rejection) if new data are discovered which necessitates this.
So there is no *proof* for evolution. There's evidence that some think supports their theory.
==So seeings as how the Pope believes that evolution is the means whereby God created human beings does that mean that the Pope has chosen the “evil” side of this “spiritual war” you are talking about?
He doesn’t believe that we are the product of random chance evolution. To my mind, this means he believes in some form of ID. Moreover, he fired his chief astronomer for criticizing ID and saying it shouldn’t be taught in school. Now the Pope is even dismantling and moving the observatory his chief astronomer was in charge of. So no, I completley reject the premise of your question.
What planet is this from?
yup, reminds me of martin sheen bashing Bush with his BDS and calling him stupid.
Bush went to both Yale AND Harvard while sheen
dropped out of HS to become an actor.
Having said that, Creation Science is vastly superior to ID, and infinitely superior to Darwin’s fairytale of unintelligent design.
yup....reminds me of the godless liberal martin sheen blabbering insults at President Bush for being stupid.
Bush went to Yale AND Harvard...
Sheen dropped out of HS to become an actor.
Hardly.
==There’s evidence that some think supports their theory.
“Some” is the key word, because the evidence in favor of evolution really isn’t all that convincing. Only a minority of the population, brainwashed by our godless left-wing public school and university system, believe in Darwin’s blasphemous ToE.
And yet evos expect, or demand that creationists take the Genesis account literally.
BTW, that is ducking the issue.
No, it's pointing out the double standard that's regularly applied to creationists.
It's OK for scientists to use inaccurate terminology like that but when it's in Scripture, it's proof that the Bible is wrong in it's statements and cannot be trusted.
If everything is the result of random happenstance, then they are also demonstrating the appearance of intelligence.
You said (#860) "the Pope is not an evo, he's a proponent of ID, which...maintains that life was originally frontloaded by an intelligently designer." Didn't you?
Not only did your source not quote the Pope using the term "intelligent design," even if he did, it wouldn't mean he's a supporter of Intelligent Design, capital letters, as you define it.
I have no problem with a religious person stating that God directed evolution, however, since there is not proof it should be kept out of the science classes.
So tell me, if nothing in science can ever be proved, why do you demand it from those who disagree with you? Why do you hold them to a higher level of accountability that you hold those who agree with you?
I have no problem with a religious person stating that God directed evolution, however, since there is not proof it should be kept out of the science classes.
By that reasoning, the ToE should be taught in science classes. For that matter, why not just shut down all science classes since nothing in science can be proved anyway?
Start with Guillermo. Did he sue the University, or did they sue him?
Got any examples of evolutionists suing creationists for being creationists?
And your point is?
If someone takes the Bible literally in all respects, they're treated with contempt and ridiculed as being stupid.
If they say that interpretation is needed, they're treated with condescension and contempt, as if they admitted defeat, which they didn't.
A favorite ploy by the evos is to demand the impossible where no matter what answer is given, one is damned if they do and damned if they don't.
It's intellectually dishonest.
Oh, you must still be under the assumption a normal sane person that’s not angry at God really gives the time of day about your opinions!
tsk tsk
angry godless projecting liberals...angry at the wet paper bag they’ve created around themselves they can’t EVER seem to argue out of and always unaware of it at the very same time!
It truly never fails!
I don’t know which is more funny aqbout y’all, you’re helplessness or that you’re completely unaware of it!
I don’t care about evolution in science class, this was my position from day 1, I only asked ID be PRESENTED, NOT EVEN TAUGHT...
With all the projectile green puke and your spinning head response to this proposal and calling names proves my entire point about your fascist kind all along!
Can’t argue, so you get frustrated and attempt to silence the ‘sociopaths’ that disagree with your worldview! What a typical liberal response!
TWO THUMBS UP TO YOU!
Now, I suggest taking your own advice.
You have provided no support for the idea that the Pope believes “life was originally frontloaded by an intelligently designer.” Just because the Pope maintains God was behind it all doesn’t mean he buys your definition of what that means.
How on earth are you gonna get out of the pretzel you just contorted yourself into?
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