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Obama “pay grade” comment purposely ignores SCIENTIFIC FACT that LIFE BEGINS AT CONCEPTION

Posted on 08/18/2008 4:56:08 AM PDT by cpforlife.org

In 1981, a group of internationally known scientists appeared before a Senate judiciary subcommittee to answer the question, “When does human life begin?” Their answers are below and make Pro-Aborts very uncomfortable. But nowhere near as uncomfortable as the last moments of life will be for the 3,500 babies who will be aborted tomorrow.

At the Saddleback Civil Forum on the Presidency, Rev. Rick Warren asked both candidates the question: At what point does a baby gets “human rights.” McCain’s answer was direct “At the moment of conception.”

Obama’s answer was the non-answer heard round the political world. His voting record is solidly Pro-Abortion and as an Illinois senator he defended Live Birth Abortions for three years. So why didn’t Obama answer “at birth” or “at birth as long as the mother does not want the baby to die”?

“…answering that question with specificity is, you know, above my pay grade..”

No Sen. Obama. Answering that question with specificity would abort your campaign.

We must hammer home the SCIENTIFIC FACT that LIFE BEGINS AT CONCEPTION. We have to take control of the language used in the abortion debate. We must stop Pro-Aborts from confusing the issue by claiming the question about the beginning of life is a theological matter. It is biological science.

And abortion itself is a civil rights issue.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortion; murder; obama; paygrade
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“What political issue could possibly outweigh this human devastation” of 40 million deaths through abortion? “The answer, of course, is that there is none. … It is time to put away the arguments of political spin masters that only serve to justify abortion killing. We have heard a great deal this year about the need for change. But at the same time we are told that one thing cannot change – namely, the abortion regime of Roe vs. Wade.

“It is time that we demand real change, and real change means the end of Roe vs. Wade.”

Carl Anderson, Knights of Columbus - Annual Report

21 posted on 08/18/2008 5:27:14 AM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available FREE at CpForLife.org)
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The “pay grade” comment shows just how much Uhbama is out of his league when it comes to the presidency. He tried to be clever with a comment that began to be heavily used as a political tool I think back in the 90’s for a subject where it does not fit. This is Uhbama. A guy who is simply trying to get over by phrases like the “pay grade” comment, by putting meaningless terms like “fast-track” into his campaign advertising and the like. He is an invention of the Phlegmocrat Party and hardly worthy to be head of the PTA, much less the POTUS.


22 posted on 08/18/2008 5:27:16 AM PDT by WillVoteForFood
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To: johnny7
Sometimes, life tosses us a question that we have to answer... “above our pay grade”... or not. If we ignore it... we give darker forces time to formulate their own answer and ultimately... the final word.

The US President is the most powerful person on the planet. He even has the wherewithal to disintegrate the planet. Thus, any topic that affects the planet and its residents are NOT above his pay grade.

Obama, at a loss for a response with substance, tried to use a cutsie retort. That may be nice for an MSM evening news clip, but it falls short of demonstrating leadership capability.

Presidents have to answer tough questions. Presidents have to respond to unforeseen events. The President's pay is legislatively $400,000.00 per year. Those hard questions and events are his responsibility, even at that pay grade.
23 posted on 08/18/2008 5:27:43 AM PDT by TomGuy
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Induced Abortion is the Number One Cause of Death In The United States. According to the US Center for Disease Control the leading causes of death in the US in 2002 were: Abortion 1,290,000 Heart disease 710,760 Cancer 553,091 Stroke 167,661 Chronic lower respiratory tract disease 122,009 Accidents 97,900. AIDS was not even in the top 10 causes with 17,544 reported deaths.


24 posted on 08/18/2008 5:29:14 AM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available FREE at CpForLife.org)
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To: cpforlife.org

...and Obama’s answer to the christian question was weasely enought to be non-threatening to any moslem.


25 posted on 08/18/2008 5:36:43 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: longtermmemmory
So true. Russia China N Korea and all the other countries controlled by evil men are full of HOPE that Obama wins. They are probably the biggest donors.
26 posted on 08/18/2008 5:41:10 AM PDT by cpforlife.org (A Catholic Respect Life Curriculum is available FREE at CpForLife.org)
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To: WillVoteForFood

It is truly amazing how Obama could say so little with so many words, while McCain said so much with just a few.


27 posted on 08/18/2008 5:54:45 AM PDT by Fresh Wind (Five Year Plans and New Deals, wrapped in golden chains...)
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To: cpforlife.org

Bookmarked. FRegards ....


28 posted on 08/18/2008 5:57:34 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Regarding Jerome Corsi and Obama Nation -- are you a book reader or a book burner?)
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To: cpforlife.org

“....above his paygrade....”

Give me a break - HE NEVER EVEN HAD THE NUTS TO ANSWER THE GIVEN QUESTION. A simple answer, either a) at conception or b) at birth - which one is it?


29 posted on 08/18/2008 5:59:19 AM PDT by Cyclone59 (umm, err, ahh - that decision is above my paygrade)
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To: IbJensen; loboinok
It would be hypocritical of McCain to pick someone pro-choice. I tried to explain years ago that we have to understand— if someone is pro-choice, that same person is philosophically flawed. It's like a computer virus in the brain. A few pro-choice people like Neal Boortz manage to overcome this internal discord [to some extent], but that's rare when one is sitting on the bench. A look at justices’ biographies makes it crystal clear.

While abortion is hideous enough, even pro-choice people should understand what judicial activism is doing to our law. Pro-choice judges attack our bill of rights— seeking to elevate treaties above our basic rights. Kelo is a good example of what pro-choice justices get us.

I hope he's only building up drama by keeping everyone in suspense.

30 posted on 08/18/2008 6:08:03 AM PDT by Arthur Wildfire! March (Regarding Jerome Corsi and Obama Nation -- are you a book reader or a book burner?)
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To: cpforlife.org

I think what most people are missing is that B-O’s answer ALSO allows him to suggest that only God knows the answer without actually having to mention God. He is attempting to have it both ways...believers infer that he is deferring to God, while non-believers infer that he is deferring to scientists.

Very clever.


31 posted on 08/18/2008 6:17:44 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Johnny Rico picked the wrong girl!)
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To: cpforlife.org

Mr Obama, since our LAWS cannot be as undefined as your non-answer, and MUST SPECIFY when life begins in order to say

legal here, illegal there,

and you’re running for the CHIEF LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER of the United States,

I believe that it is necessary for you to clearly define your belief in what those laws should be.

So, again, when in your belife should it be defined that life begins and is worthy of the protection of law?


32 posted on 08/18/2008 6:20:38 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: WillVoteForFood

Shouldn’t a bi-racial candidate at least be familiar with Margaret
Sanger and Planned Parenthood’s racist policies?

www.blackgenocide.org

94% of the baby death camps are placed in minority neighborhoods!
6% of the population (black women) receive 36% of abortions.


33 posted on 08/18/2008 6:21:44 AM PDT by Lesforlife
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To: johnny7

If he had any

ACCEPTIBLE

core values, he wouldn’t have any problems answering questions like these.

Here’s how it works:

Bounce question off your core beliefs and answer accordingly.

Here’s how a leftist works:

Bounce question off your core beliefes, determine if the public in general will consider that answer abhorrent, and avoid it if so.

Notice I’m not saying that he has no core beliefs, I’m saying his core beliefs would be considered abhorrent to the public.


34 posted on 08/18/2008 6:23:14 AM PDT by MrB (You can't reason people out of a position that they didn't use reason to get into in the first place)
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To: cpforlife.org
Obama showed off his hypocracy later during the same interview when he mentioned the parable in Matthew, where Jesus says, "Whatever you do to the least of these, you do to me." He then rattles off a list of oppressed groups, the poor, the homeless, African Americans, yada yada yada, but nothing about the unborn.
35 posted on 08/18/2008 6:38:17 AM PDT by shekkian
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To: cpforlife.org

“the life of any individual organism reproducing by sexual reproduction begins at conception.”

The new individual’s life begins at conception. He/she is not a mass of cells living as a parasite off the mother, as radical feminazis say.


36 posted on 08/18/2008 6:40:54 AM PDT by BooksForTheRight.com (Fight liberal lies with knowledge. Read conservative books and articles.)
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To: cpforlife.org
"We must hammer home the SCIENTIFIC FACT that LIFE BEGINS AT CONCEPTION"

No we mustn't. Sperm are alive and eggs are alive. Life doesn't spring out of unLife.

And Life is also a legal term and the abortion issue is also a legal debate. It doesn't do any good to purposively confuse the terms and confuse the issue, especially when you don't have to.

This reminds me of the pro-drug war people criticizing the "victimless crime" argument, saying people who abuse drugs are too "victims". They confuse the terms, "victimless" is first a legal term.

In our legal system, there are times that taking a life is legal. So, saying every life requires absolute legal protection is nonsense and a losing argument. It also turns off people, who fear that religion is going to be enacted into law.

You've got to know your audience, you've got to make arguments that will appeal to them.

37 posted on 08/18/2008 7:08:22 AM PDT by Jabba the Nutt (We're all Georgians now, Lili-Putin!)
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To: cpforlife.org
Obama “pay grade” comment purposely ignores SCIENTIFIC FACT that LIFE BEGINS AT CONCEPTION
We must hammer home the SCIENTIFIC FACT that LIFE BEGINS AT CONCEPTION. We have to take control of the language used in the abortion debate

Either you're being disingenuous, or your grasp of science is incredibly weak. Science cannot determine when "life" begins, because the term itself is open to interpretation. Science can determine when brain waves begin, when a heartbeat is likely to continue independenet of the mother, when cells divide, etc. However, it's an arbitrary decision when to label it "life". As you point out yourself, it's about the terminology ("control the language"), not about science.

38 posted on 08/18/2008 7:34:36 AM PDT by Teacher317 (Thank you Dith Pran for showing us what Communism brings)
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To: cpforlife.org
For decades, if a woman sues a man over paternity, it has been possible to determine the FATHR of the alive unborn child via genetic testing. If that isn't a revelation of what the courts actually operate upon—that fatherhood begins at conception; what is the man being sued for being the father “OF”—then there is no consistency in the legal system. The courts have affirmed by assumptions what they believe is the point at which LIFE of a distinct other person begins. The problem is not the assumptions upon which the courts adjudicate, it is the duplicity of the sick SCOTUS which creates such inconsistencies in order to substantiate their activist rulings which are not Constitutional.
39 posted on 08/18/2008 7:46:33 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: longtermmemmory

Someone pointed out yeaterday that there are 57 states in the Islamic council ... perhaps Obama doesn’t know how many US states there are BUT he is quite familiar with how many states there are in the ISlamic council!


40 posted on 08/18/2008 7:51:27 AM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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