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TODAY: Rev. Rick Warren puts Obama, McCain on the same stage (LIVE thread)
The Seattle Times ^ | 8/16/08 | Duke Helfand

Posted on 08/16/2008 11:59:35 AM PDT by XR7

LAKE FOREST, Calif. — When John McCain and Barack Obama appear on the same stage today, they will vividly demonstrate the reach that has made the Rev. Rick Warren among the most significant evangelists of his generation.

He's a megastar who leads the nation's fourth-largest church and reaches thousands of ministers through the Internet and crusades against poverty and AIDS. That globe-trotting work and his successful book — "The Purpose-Driven Life: What on Earth Am I Here For?" — puts him at the vanguard of a movement that inspires young, socially conscious Christians.

But his willingness to soft-pedal political issues once central to U.S. evangelicals, such as opposition to abortion, has opened him to criticism that he has strayed from his calling to spread the Gospel.

Today's forum also is a sign of religion's importance in the 2008 presidential campaign, and the emergence of a new style of evangelical leadership on the national stage that is not tied to a single party and has broadened its social agenda beyond that of the religious right.

"This is absolutely a changing of the guard, and it suggests that the new guard of the evangelical movement is able to generate the attention and focus of both parties," said D. Michael Lindsay, a sociologist at Rice University and author of "Faith in the Halls of Power: How Evangelicals Joined the American Elite."

Warren personally invited the two candidates — "friends of mine" — via their cellphones. His event at the Saddleback Church will be broadcast live on CNN and Fox News Channel and streamed on the Web. It has among its aims "helping the church regain credibility and encouraging our society to return to civility," he said.

It's likely that fans and critics will be watching closely...

(Excerpt) Read more at seattletimes.nwsource.com ...


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To: Earthdweller

This was an old fashioned interview...no biased stunts. Just the way it should always be.

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Rick Warren showed professional ‘journalists’ how to interview politicians. Wouldn’t it be great if ‘journalists’ took the lesson to heart!


2,021 posted on 08/17/2008 4:43:41 AM PDT by maica (Peace is the Aftermath of Victory)
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To: Miss Didi

Wow- that IS amazing, considering the way the weekend crew has seemed to favor Barry.

I haven’t turned on the tv this morning...peaceful:)


2,022 posted on 08/17/2008 4:44:55 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: Miss Didi; mware

Ellen Rattner was so rattled she was banging on the counter as she spoke. Had FOXNEWS on, but was in the other room wondering if she had a microphone problem.


2,023 posted on 08/17/2008 4:45:10 AM PDT by Son House ( [ ]Obama=>LoseBothWars/Raise Taxes [X]McCain=>WinBothWars/CutPorkBarrelSpending)
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To: mbraynard; kristinn

Dear mbraynard,

“Since I will be voting for neither!”

Ann Coulter rightly states: “ If Demorats had any Brains, they would be Republicans!”
Since You ae NOT going to VOTE, do We assume You are a Democrat that has Brains, so You cant Vote for the Traitorous, Emptysuited, Closet Muslim, Scumbag, Non natural Citizen Osama Obama Hussein and You just cant bring yourself to VOTE REPUBLICAN? or are You a Republican or Independant that wants to stupidly throw your Vote away and bitch for four years about Obama destroying Our Nation and turning it into a powerless Muslim 58th Caliphate and a Leftwing Dictatorship not unlike Chavez’s Venezuala?


2,024 posted on 08/17/2008 4:47:32 AM PDT by NOBAMA in 08 (An Empty Suited Opportunist with No Redeeming Value!)
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To: MHGinTN

Obama was a picture of prozac.

He might take medicine for Attention Deficit, Ritalin is what used to be prescribed, my brother wouldn’t let them put his kids on it.


2,025 posted on 08/17/2008 4:49:11 AM PDT by Son House ( [ ]Obama=>LoseBothWars/Raise Taxes [X]McCain=>WinBothWars/CutPorkBarrelSpending)
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To: FocusNexus
2 wisest people Obama listens to: 1st: Wife, Michele 2nd: his Grandmother (remember that “typical white person...) 3rd: Sam Nunn ...

I believe Obama just gave away who his VP candidate will be.

2,026 posted on 08/17/2008 4:52:36 AM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E. That spells free. freerepublic.com baby)
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To: Son House; All
She's on again and just said--John McCain pandered...gag me with a spoon! (her words, not mine) Ellen--this whole idea of evil, give me a break! (again her words) She says evil has been going on for eons and McCain's going to get rid of it? They are now badgering her about the evil question because they can't believe her stupidity. Ellen says she guesses evil exists and that we can't "war out" evil, McCain's crazy. Jim says that if Obama agree with Ellen, he's doomed. Now Ellen brings up her Holocaust survivor friends and that you can't have a war on evil. Jim asks her about Hitler and Ellen says that he has some explaining to do. Ellen is SCREECHING!

Ellen--Obama, thoughtful; McCain, pander. Jim--Obama, no eye contact with Warren (cut to commercial).
2,027 posted on 08/17/2008 4:54:02 AM PDT by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: hsalaw

So you are four times as old as an orphan who needs adult care. I really dislike politicians who distort numbers to make a case for their pet project. This statement of Rick Warren’s reminds me of the “three million homeless” number that we heard for years - a number that was never near reality.


2,028 posted on 08/17/2008 4:56:19 AM PDT by maica (Peace is the Aftermath of Victory)
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To: SE Mom

I never, ever watch the Weekend Friends but this morning was up extra early...they were rerunning last night’s forum and the Friends came on afterward. I cannot believe they didn’t have a nice word for their hero Barry.


2,029 posted on 08/17/2008 4:57:43 AM PDT by Miss Didi ("Good heavens, woman, this is a war not a garden party!" Dr. Meade, Gone with the Wind)
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To: NOBAMA in 08

Since you are “not going to vote”....You are....or....or a troll from the OUBSSAMA campaign


2,030 posted on 08/17/2008 4:57:54 AM PDT by Ulysse (i)
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To: Kimberly GG
Interesting. I saw just the opposite.

No, no, no! You've got the names reversed. McCain is the old white guy and Obama is the black guy with big ears!

2,031 posted on 08/17/2008 5:11:00 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: SE Mom; Son House; All
I was wonderginhow the drive-bys would spin last nights horrific loss for their guy Barry and now I know after watching the whole 30 minutes that C-spin or spam, which ever you chose, gave to last nights awesome McCain victory.

Evidently there were some frantic late night chatting points issued by the DNC to all the drive-bys including c-spin and they are quite apparent in what the WApost and LAslimes had to say in their pathetic and short morning little columns.

Evidently the talking points issued late last night had to go something like this:

1. Admit that there was a debate

2. Do not concentrate on who won at cost and don't play up our guy up too much since he lost big time.

3. keep it short and move on to other topics ASAP since this is a disaster for the dem/rats.

Anyway that is my guess on what the DNC/rats talking points were to the drive-bys and looks like C-spin got the message.

Also if you paid close attention to how c-spin handled it they used about half black callers(strange since the US population is only about 12-13% black, why let half of them get in on a brief half hour take on the debate unless you are spinning and agenda and wildly so)and the rest mostly rabid dems and just a few pubbies got in before they quickly changed topics just like the talking points probably recommended. Just a guess.

2,032 posted on 08/17/2008 5:13:56 AM PDT by rodguy911 (LAND OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE)
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To: Miss Didi

Last nights CNN interview already implying things that aren’t supported, Brody should be fired if he can’t support ‘antichrist’ in “ads that John McCain has been running not just on television, but on the web. “;

http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/429313.aspx

Brody: Let me ask you a little about some of these ads that John McCain has been running not just on television, but on the web. Let’s face it, let’s call a spade a spade, there has been some Messianic references, there’s been some antichrist stuff going on,


2,033 posted on 08/17/2008 5:14:35 AM PDT by Son House ( [ ]Obama=>LoseBothWars/Raise Taxes [X]McCain=>WinBothWars/CutPorkBarrelSpending)
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To: Ulysse

DO YOU KNOW HOW TO READ????????

That IS SOMEONE ELSE THAT SAID THEY ARE NOT GOING TO VOTE!!
PLEASE READ BEFORE MAKING STUPID STATEMENTS!!! PLEASE!

I AM VOTING FOR A WONDERFUL LEADER! A GREAT PATRIOT! and a NATIONAL HERO!! I AM VOTING PROUDLY FOR SENATOR JOHN McCAIN!!! Our Future President of The United States!

Is that clear enough for you?


2,034 posted on 08/17/2008 5:15:28 AM PDT by NOBAMA in 08 (An Empty Suited Opportunist with No Redeeming Value!)
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To: Nasher
I donned my protective suit and waded into the DUmp; seemed as if a lot of them were in a somber or angry mood.

And that's different than any other day how?

2,035 posted on 08/17/2008 5:19:56 AM PDT by tsmith130
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To: Ulysse

Here’s ‘iron our shirts’ Obama moment where he implies ‘women’ are the only ones collecting welfare, or he didn’t care about the men “WHO WERE GOING TO BE KICKED OFF THE ROLLS”, transcipt is all in capitols at link;

http://www.rickwarrennews.com/transcript/civil_forum_transcript-01.txt

REFORM WHERE I ALWAYS BELIEVED THAT WELFARE HAD TO BE CHANGED. I WAS MUCH MORE CONCERNED TEN YEARS AGO WHEN PRESIDENT CLINTON INITIALLY SIGNED THE BILL THAT THIS COULD HAVE DISASTEROUS RESULTS. I WORKED IN THE ILLINOIS LEGISLATURE

TO MAKE SURE WE WERE PROVIDING CHILD CARE AND HEALTH CARE AND OTHER SUPPORT SERVICES FOR THE WOMEN WHO HAD — WHO WERE GOING TO BE KICKED OFF THE ROLLS AFTER A CERTAIN TIME.


2,036 posted on 08/17/2008 5:22:38 AM PDT by Son House ( [ ]Obama=>LoseBothWars/Raise Taxes [X]McCain=>WinBothWars/CutPorkBarrelSpending)
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To: Son House
Good catch Son.!

I got in on the end of all that CNN pap but I did see each of the 4 rats doing a summation and all but Dana Bash (an avowed socialist)admitted that Barry lost his ass in the debate. Bash did her best to change the venue as rats are taught but she came off as "challenged" at best.

Bottom line last night you got to see what truly great Americans the McCain's are when John told the story of his adopted daughter and how it all happened.

When John McCain replied that his wife had told him that "he was about to meet his new daughter", if a tear didn't pop into your eyes or drip down your cheek, you aren't a very good conservative. It truly was a defining moment and you could just see a million Democrats run for the closet and lock themselves in securely for the tsunami they knew was coming there way.

2,037 posted on 08/17/2008 5:23:02 AM PDT by rodguy911 (LAND OF THE FREE BECAUSE OF THE BRAVE)
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To: Weya

Is this the new democratic tactic?

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It’s called projection in psychological terms. Dems always accuse us of what they do. Hillary ia a Grand Master of the technique.


2,038 posted on 08/17/2008 5:23:38 AM PDT by maica (Peace is the Aftermath of Victory)
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To: Miss Didi

Link to several parts of the transcript;

http://www.rickwarrennews.com/transcript/

updated: 10:32 EDT / 9:32 p.m. CDT / 7:32 p.m. PDT

PART 1: MS Word Format | Text-only Format
PART 2: MS Word Format | Text-only Format
PART 3: MS Word Format | Text-only Format
PART 4: MS Word Format | Text-only Format
PART 5: MS Word Format | Text-only Format
PART 6: MS Word Format | Text-only Format


2,039 posted on 08/17/2008 5:24:41 AM PDT by Son House ( [ ]Obama=>LoseBothWars/Raise Taxes [X]McCain=>WinBothWars/CutPorkBarrelSpending)
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To: Miss Didi

I had to turn the TV off, when she started speaking...talk about delusional! What a ignoramous she is!


2,040 posted on 08/17/2008 5:29:35 AM PDT by nfldgirl (Tribe Member: 'Runs with Rush')
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