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TODAY: Rev. Rick Warren puts Obama, McCain on the same stage (LIVE thread)
The Seattle Times ^ | 8/16/08 | Duke Helfand

Posted on 08/16/2008 11:59:35 AM PDT by XR7

LAKE FOREST, Calif. — When John McCain and Barack Obama appear on the same stage today, they will vividly demonstrate the reach that has made the Rev. Rick Warren among the most significant evangelists of his generation.

He's a megastar who leads the nation's fourth-largest church and reaches thousands of ministers through the Internet and crusades against poverty and AIDS. That globe-trotting work and his successful book — "The Purpose-Driven Life: What on Earth Am I Here For?" — puts him at the vanguard of a movement that inspires young, socially conscious Christians.

But his willingness to soft-pedal political issues once central to U.S. evangelicals, such as opposition to abortion, has opened him to criticism that he has strayed from his calling to spread the Gospel.

Today's forum also is a sign of religion's importance in the 2008 presidential campaign, and the emergence of a new style of evangelical leadership on the national stage that is not tied to a single party and has broadened its social agenda beyond that of the religious right.

"This is absolutely a changing of the guard, and it suggests that the new guard of the evangelical movement is able to generate the attention and focus of both parties," said D. Michael Lindsay, a sociologist at Rice University and author of "Faith in the Halls of Power: How Evangelicals Joined the American Elite."

Warren personally invited the two candidates — "friends of mine" — via their cellphones. His event at the Saddleback Church will be broadcast live on CNN and Fox News Channel and streamed on the Web. It has among its aims "helping the church regain credibility and encouraging our society to return to civility," he said.

It's likely that fans and critics will be watching closely...

(Excerpt) Read more at seattletimes.nwsource.com ...


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This is the best I’ve seen McCain!!!

Did Warren slip him the questions? LOL


1,021 posted on 08/16/2008 6:29:13 PM PDT by KavMan
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To: ShoreMark

Yeah that guy seemed too drooly over OBama. It was a bit nauseating.


1,022 posted on 08/16/2008 6:29:18 PM PDT by modest proposal (Congress (n). Place where you can be supported in comfort by the state to talk stupid)
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To: TornadoAlley3; SE Mom; All

How have they guarded against McCain knowing
the questions beforehand? Could they not have
been texted to him, even in a soundproof room?

Or were other arrangements made, which I missed?


1,023 posted on 08/16/2008 6:29:18 PM PDT by STARWISE ((They (Dims) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: Vicki

Well, not true. I lost my job since I was not tenured yet, but at the same time, I was not a good middle school teacher (first year teacher). It wasn’t my strength, and I hated every minute. So, for now I am going into journalism, something I actually can do well. At some point I may choose to switch to PR/marketing etc. for more money, or possibly teach college journalism. But, otherwise, teaching was not for me, and I will not do it if I am doing a poor job. Anybody who thinks it is easy is crazy. Working in an office from 8-5 is ten times easier than being on stage from 8-3 with only a brief lunch break, plus then working at home at night.

The teacher next to me got fired because the principal just hated her. She had tenure and was with the district for decades, but she was removed due to an “excess” provision in which the principal claimed her position was not needed.

It was not true of course. But, she was able to find a job in the district elsewhere. So, tenure is helpful for sure...but if a principal wants to get rid of you, he can find a way.

Perhaps nobody was officially ‘fired’ because other moves were done instead. For example, I resigned instead of being non-renewed. Why? I did not want to explain on job applications that I was non-renewed. That is really a tough one. At the time, I was planning on still pursuing teaching at high school instead for this next school year since I did a good job with student teaching at that level. I was not going to stay in the school anyway; every day was a nightmare. Quitting wasn’t really a big deal because of that. I did not want to stay because it was just hell.

Regardless, I bet there are a lot of similar moves that may not be official firings, but are “pushed to resign” type situations.


1,024 posted on 08/16/2008 6:29:27 PM PDT by rwfromkansas
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To: ShoreMark

Yep ....that’s what I noticed...the darting eyes.


1,025 posted on 08/16/2008 6:29:30 PM PDT by Shortstop7
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To: All

McCain keeps hitting the ball out of the park, as opposed to Obama, who hit a lot of singles.

I have no doubt that MSNBC, CNN, ABC, NBC and CBS will be claiming tomorrow that McCain was given the questions in advance.

I’m truly impressed with McCain!


1,026 posted on 08/16/2008 6:29:37 PM PDT by Walleye_Walter (No to Osama and Obama)
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To: AmericanMade1776

I can’t believe what I’m witnessing...McCain means business.


1,027 posted on 08/16/2008 6:29:39 PM PDT by WesA
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth

McCain is a much quicker thinker than Obama.

I am going to be very interested in hearing how the Fox Panel sneer at McCain tonight.


1,028 posted on 08/16/2008 6:29:46 PM PDT by maica (Peace is the Aftermath of Victory)
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To: keepitreal

Thanks!


1,029 posted on 08/16/2008 6:29:47 PM PDT by mewzilla (In politics the middle way is none at all. John Adams)
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To: KavMan

McCain is THE MAN


1,030 posted on 08/16/2008 6:29:49 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: modest proposal

like he confronted Ayres? lol.


1,031 posted on 08/16/2008 6:29:58 PM PDT by omega4179 (B.Hussein Keep the change!)
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To: Tennessee Nana

Okay, stop me... I’m making popcorn balls now.


1,032 posted on 08/16/2008 6:30:06 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Principalities work through personalities.Commies cast out only by prayer and fasting.)
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To: AmericanMade1776

McCain is making warren look like an ass...this may simply be the best political work I have ever seen.


1,033 posted on 08/16/2008 6:30:06 PM PDT by gas_dr (Trial lawyers are Endangering Every Patient in America)
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To: A Balrog of Morgoth
I'll lighten up when I have a President who believes in the 'rule of law', and upholds it.

And don't call me Frances.

1,034 posted on 08/16/2008 6:30:06 PM PDT by Guenevere
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To: Guenevere
Are you all so gullible?

What's not to get excited about, when McCain says something like: "Find bad teachers another line of work!"

1,035 posted on 08/16/2008 6:30:09 PM PDT by XR7
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To: mainepatsfan

Ricky says he’s answering to quickly.

“Do you want to play a game of poker?”

Ha!


1,036 posted on 08/16/2008 6:30:18 PM PDT by They'reGone2000 (And I DON'T want to have to change my name to They'reBack2008!)
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To: Guenevere

“Are you all so gullible?”

Are you so blind, deaf, gullible, and full of hate against McCain that YOU don’t see the enormous difference between what the US would be like under McCain vs. the US under Obama?


1,037 posted on 08/16/2008 6:30:20 PM PDT by FocusNexus ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: mewzilla

Maybe she caught him in an intimate encounter with his boy butler, Reggie Love? Do You think Michelle has come to the conclusion that Larry Sinclair is telling the Truth about his encounters with Obie?


1,038 posted on 08/16/2008 6:30:20 PM PDT by NOBAMA in 08 (An Empty Suited Opportunist with No Redeeming Value!)
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McCain is looking really good tonight.


1,039 posted on 08/16/2008 6:30:22 PM PDT by Bodhi1 (Homeschools for a reason.)
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To: maica

For a 71 year old he has more energy and personality lmao.


1,040 posted on 08/16/2008 6:30:26 PM PDT by modest proposal (Congress (n). Place where you can be supported in comfort by the state to talk stupid)
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