Posted on 08/15/2008 2:43:50 PM PDT by wagglebee
Another thing to keep in mind is the FACT that A LOT of Catholics ONLY vote GOP in presidential elections BECAUSE OF ABORTION (plenty of Catholics are fairly liberal on fiscal and national defense issues). Bush WOULD NOT have won either election without these Catholic voters, if McCain shows that he doesn’t care about abortion he WILL lose these votes.
Really? If someone goes to an Evangelical church and claims to be an Evangelical Christian yet supports things like abortion and homosexuality do you consider them to be a good Evangelical Christian?
He will absolutely lose my vote if he does.
And it's not just Catholics that will refuse to vote for him. This could be a fatal choice for McCain's campaign.
That's beside the point. The article claims Catholics will not vote for a pro-choice VP. I say baloney. How else would Kennedy get elected or Clinton?
See my response in #21.
Also, keep in mind that a pro-abortion president can do far more harm than ANY member of Congress.
I think McCain and Co. want to lose. That’s just great. Here we have a man who was not chosen by the people and who is determined to throw us off under and over the bus.
Don’t even get me started about Clinton and Obama.
wagglebee: “...nominating a pro-abortion VP is a clear indication that he (McCain) really doesn’t care and can’t be trusted.”
Well, duh! How many times does McCain have to sell you out before you realize he doesn’t care and can’t be trusted?
He’s already shown himself to be a “maverick” on issue after issue. I need no more evidence of his lack of conservative credentials. In fact, I expect him to give us another slap in the face with his VP pick. Lieberman? Wouldn’t surprise me one bit.
The only way I’ll be surprised is if he nominates a staunch, pro-life conservative. No doubt his advisers are telling that’s unnecessary. They think conservatives will vote for McCain, no matter what, in order to stop Obama. Given the postings of many FReepers, I think McCain’s advisers are right.
So, at what point does McCain actually start earning our votes?
Now, just who would best serve? That is the first question. All else is secondary.
Only those whom end up in that "best" category, need be weighed one against another, for various attributes. Otherwise, we are putting the cart before the horse.
“I pray McCain does not choose Ridge.”
Or Charlie Crist, or Tom Ridge - both antilife, but Gov. Crist is more sneaky about it.
The “Catholic” part is irrelevant. If he picks a pro-abortion running mate, I will not vote for him. It would be a sign that he’ll pick a pro-abortion supreme court justice.
“The fact that McCain would even consider a Pro-Abortion VP shows that he will also be willing to nominate a Pro-Abort to the Supreme Court.”
Good point.
“Precisely. There are plenty of pro-life conservatives to choose from, nominating a pro-abortion VP is a clear indication that he really doesn’t care and can’t be trusted.”
AND a clear indication that he does not want to win in November!
I am beginning to think that McCain likes the idea of running for President, not actually becoming President.
And with McCain's age and health history, this is even more of an issue than in the past.
So you want Obama to win? < /GOP Party bootlickers and RINO apologists >
I've NEVER trusted him and I'm still somewhat in shock that he won the nomination.
So, at what point does McCain actually start earning our votes?
I'm starting to think his entire campaign will be to try to make enough people afraid of Obama.
raybbr: “The article claims Catholics will not vote for a pro-choice VP. I say baloney.”
Good point. When I read your first response, I reached the same mistaken conclusion as wagglebee. No doubt there are many pro-infanticide voters who claim to be Catholic. However, I think wagglebee is also correct in saying that a Catholic cannot truly be Catholic if they rebel against apostolic leadership. The Church is one. You are either in it or not. You cannot pick and choose.
My other point is that there are A LOT of Catholics who ONLY vote GOP in presidential elections and they ONLY do this based on abortion. If the pro-life platform is abandoned either outright or in essence many will no longer have any reason to vote GOP.
Remember that prior to voting for Reagan in 1980 (and this was the first time that the pro-life platform was included), the majority of the Catholic vote had gone to the ‘Rats since FDR (the only real exception was Nixon’s landslide in 1972). Clinton and GWB won because of the Catholic vote.
While I agree it means very little at the voting booth. These are humans first and Catholics somewhere else down the line. Many of them call themselves Catholic and cheat on their wives, vote for pro-choicers, cheat at cards, lie to their bosses, etc.
The true rosary praying Catholic MAY not vote for a pro-choicer but I don't believe they see it as their primary reason for voting.
I also agree that McCain is so wrong for the GOP and we conservatives. I truly hate that I have to pick from the sorry list of candidates that may be on my ballot.
God forgive me but I swear I hope something happens to McCain that won't allow him to run.
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