MYSTERY SCHOOL RECORD ON OBAMA RESURFACES-IS IT GENUINE?

http://www.hillaryclintonforum.net/discussion/showthread.php?t=23582 ^

[Roccus]

PING to post #16

[iowamark]

http://blog.changeandexperience.com/
This registration document, made available on Jan. 24, 2007, by the Fransiskus Assisi school in Jakarta, Indonesia, shows the registration of Barack Obama under the name Barry Soetoro into the Catholic school made by his step-father, Lolo Soetoro. The document lists Barry Soetoro as a Indonesian citizen, born on August 4, 1961 in Honolulu, and shows his Muslim step-father listed the boy's religion as Islam.(AP Photo/ Tatan Syuflana)
The main interesting line is that his name is listed as Barry Soetero. The other interesting line from this is where it says "Agama' which means 'Religion'. The religion is thus listed as 'Islam'.

Missing the point entirely. All of this is very old news except the listing of citizenship as Indonesian.

[randita]

Could the Clinton’s be holding back on some important information, waiting to spring it at the convention in Denver? I doubt it. But, we’ll have to wait to see.

It wouldn't matter if O was adopted by a Martian and was officially a citizen of Mars. There's absolutely no way Democrats are going to deprive him of this nomination unless they want to see major US cities burned to the ground. Blacks have seen the messiah leading them to the promised land. There's no way they're going to let Clinton or any other white steal the nomination from him. And there's no way the Democrat Party is going to risk alienating their most loyal constituency. They know it would destroy their party for decades and affect control of Congress and also many state legislatures.

They're stuck with O, no matter what emerges.

[MindBender26]

>>>> If Soetero actually adopted Barack Obama, then the fact of his birth in Hawaii is meaningless or irrelevant. He would have had to apply to become a naturalized citizen after being adopted.

Probably not so. Citizenship, the need for it, or the application for it does not necessarily follow adoption. This will be driven by Indonesian law.

However, if Mr. Soetero did list his Obama’s religion as Muslim, when applying for admittance to a Catholic school for Barack, then that raises all sorts of interesting, if not legal questions.

[SatinDoll]

What will emerge has a good chance of making the Democrat party irrelevant in the future. And if Detroit, Chicago, Baltimore, Cleveland, and Los Angeles end up with burned-out cores due to riots, do you honestly think the rest of the nation will be traumatized? Relieved would be more like it.

Lot’s of Democrats are repelled by Obama. If he is declared ineligible for the Presidency because of commission of fraud while using an alias rather than his legal name, there may be some problems in some cities but I doubt it will be all of them.

Most of the people will recognize he’s a fraud and a liar who should never be leader of the United States.

[uncbob]

It wouldn't matter if O was adopted by a Martian and was officially a citizen of Mars. There's absolutely no way Democrats are going to deprive him of this nomination unless they want to see major US cities burned to the ground. Blacks have seen the messiah leading them to the promised land. There's no way they're going to let Clinton or any other white steal the nomination from him. And there's no way the Democrat Party is going to risk alienating their most loyal constituency. They know it would destroy their party for decades and affect control of Congress and also many state legislatures. They're stuck with O, no matter what emerges.

Yep that is the reality of political life in the USA in 2008

[jwparkerjr]

Talk about what my Mom used to call “Rear de je view”. This is much like the Bill Clinton runs for office. Every week it was something else about him that would raise doubts. It went on and on, for not one but TWO election cycles. Now, 16 plus years later we know that many of those concerns were indeed well founded. And those that aren't have been replaced by new concerns.

I would like to think that Americans are smart enough to have learned a lesson from the Clinton era. Obviously not.

[drierice]

“Could the Clinton’s be holding back on some important information, waiting to spring it at the convention in Denver?”

I’d say unlikely, but ... maybe. Of course, they’re hoping for something.

But it seems people always give Hillary credit for finding all the possible dirt on Obama. If she was that thorough and omnipotent, she wouldn’t have lost her campaign. Obambi is also a product of the Clinton’s failure.

[Viking2002]

Yeah, but there's that nasty little issue of federal law - you know, what they use to beat people over the head with, but think it doesn't apply to them? If it's proven that The Magic Mulatto is disqualified (as opposed to unqualified - that's a given) in any one of several ways, but the 'Bats shove him down America's throat anyhow, those cities you're referring to might end up burning from the outside-in, rather than from the inside-out.

[SatinDoll]

Isn’t it amazing how she ran such an incompetent campaign?

The world’s smartest woman, with so much advantage to her position, run over by an inexperienced baby Senator and excommunity organizer!

[SE Mom]

Reading some of the background on this question- it seems Barry’s stepfather enrolled him at the school (stepfather was muslim).

Some new questions are- since he was registered in the school as Barry Soetoro (and incidentally as an Indosnesian citizen) - was he legally adopted by his step-father? If so, then his name was legally Barry soetoro- in WHICH case, his answer to the Illinois bar question- have you ever had another name (to which Barry answers- none) becomes a legal matter.

[Red Badger]

[Red Badger]

Ping!........

[coffee260]

[threeoeight]

She was run over not by an inexperienced junior Senator but a well oiled leftist machine concentrating on seizing power and destroying this country as we know it. Obama is just a figure head puppet of the left. His election is a fraud no matter how man “Americans” vote for him.

[Izzy Dunne]

OK, I understand that political parties are not Constitutional entities, and therefore they may do whatever they want to nominate their candidate (which is why we have caucuses here, and elections there, and superdelegates, and...), but it still seems like SOMEBODY should have the duty (Democrats: look up that word sometime) to ensure that the voters have a legal candidate to vote for.

Although, I will chuckle along with everyone else if Barry-O is disqualified in October, I still say it's not a way to run a railroad.

And If I were Barry-O, I'd want to get the proof out there.

Next time he calls me for advice, that's what I'll tell him.

[DustyMoment]

(snip) . . . the Jakarta school report could torpedo Senator Barack Obama's quest for the presidency by raising questions about his constitutional eligibility to serve as president. At a minimum, Obama could face challenges and even lawsuits questioning his constitutional eligibility to serve as president.

In the meantime, the Governator in Mexifornia is fuming over the fact that the Obamessiah figured out how to sneak his muddy background past the DNC, but he hasn't been able to do the same with the RNC so he could run for president.

(Note to the Governator) - Despite their crappy recent performance as "drunken sailors" on a spending spree, the GOP DOES try to maintain SOME semblance of conservatism . . . . . . . . no matter HOW shallow it is.

[nathanbedford]

Too many of us this whole business of chasing down Obama's eligibility for the presidency seems like we are running rabbits. We fear that we will appear overzealous and become an object of derision in the mainstream press. My best personal guess is that there is nothing to any of these allegations.

But hold fast.

On the other hand, we all have the memory of the disgraced sociopath who gained the White House despite the press being possessed of evidence against him which they covered, or released only grudgingly, and then rationalized away. Case in point: the Gennifer Flowers tapes demonstrated that Clinton had committed adultery with her, in his own voice they revealed that he had advised her to lie about it, and to lie about it in an affidavit, and that so long as Gennifer Flowers continued to deny the affair no one could prove otherwise. When the tapes were finally exposed, the mainstream media acted as though it had been exposed to formaldehyde and held its nose and deplored the whole business. It minimized the adultery, the lying, Clinton's suborning of lying in writing in the affidavit and, despite the evidence of the tapes in their possession, willfully suspended belief relying on a Clinton generated study which falsely but transparently alleged that the tapes and been altered.

Some years later new tapes emerged which were eerily reminiscent of the Gennifer Flowers tapes which in effect indicted Bill Clinton for adultery, for lying about it, for suborning perjury, for suggesting that Monica Lewinsky secure fraudulent affidavits, and telling her that as long as she continued to deny the affair, it could not be proved.

Not only did the mainstream press show itself to be very reluctant to point out the parallel, it demonstrated itself to be eager to dismiss the whole matter has too fantastic. But all this of course only after the mainstream media was forced to deal with the matter after they had refused to do so by virtue of its publication in the Drudge Report.

Is there any wonder that conservatives have wholly lost faith in the press to do its job, the failing of which means that democracy might not work?

If this example were not enough, we have the phony service records flaked to the world by Dan Rather. We have the most recent history of the mainstream media simply refusing to publish a story about a former vice presidential candidate of the United States and a serious candidate for the presidential nomination this cycle. It seems that it does not matter if we think about recent times or ancient times, the mainstream media cannot be relied upon to do the reporting that democracy needs when that reporting endangers a golden boy or a treasured myth. As evidence of this trait in ancient times, consider the reporting of Duranty of the Stalinist genocide in Ukraine for which the New York Times received the Pulitzer Prize.

So what is a poor conservative to do? Are we to rely on the mainstream media to expose one of their own? There is nothing in the history of this media which gives one confidence that they will do so. We are left with no choice but to proceed with our investigation even "in our pajamas" and risk looking foolish for running rabbits, to risk looking like fanatical right-wingers whose opinions about anything cannot be trusted because we acted so foolishly in matters like Obama's background. If one says that the allegations are too fantastic on their face to be believed, one need only consider how utterly fantastic the entire impeachment drama of our disgraced former sociopathic president was. One need only reflect on the forgeries passed off by Dan Rather.

We will be belittled by the media in any event so let us at least take the chance which might prove out as opposed to passively forfeiting the game.

[listenhillary]

We could gain credibility by slapping down untruths. Our own snopes file on FR?

Get your P.J.’s ready and let the hunt begin.

[EBH]

Here is an interesting read for you.

I thought at some point in the vastness of FR we had discussed the dual citizenship issue and in ongoing relation to his ability to visit Pakistan later in life.

http://noquarterusa.net/blog/2008/07/30/the-paper-trail-obamas-indonesian-background/

Adoption and Acquisition of a Parent, Indonesia and Hawaii: The Smoking Gun.

Here are some excerpts about Indonesian Adoption.

“Foreign persons under age of five who are adopted by Indonesian Citizens obtain Indonesian Citizenship following legalization of adoption process by District Court of general jurisdiction with jurisdiction over adoptive parents [Id at Art. 2 (1)]“

And:

“It is stipulated that an adopted child has the same status as a natural child, and that his or her relationship to the birth parents is severed by adoption“

And:

“Article 2: on the condition of ratification of the adoption by the District Court:

The law stipulates that children of mixed couples automatically assume their father’s citizenship, and a divorced wife cannot take custody of her children because they have different citizenship.”