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To: dascallie
Talk about what my Mom used to call “Rear de je view”. This is much like the Bill Clinton runs for office. Every week it was something else about him that would raise doubts. It went on and on, for not one but TWO election cycles. Now, 16 plus years later we know that many of those concerns were indeed well founded. And those that aren't have been replaced by new concerns.

I would like to think that Americans are smart enough to have learned a lesson from the Clinton era. Obviously not.

27 posted on 08/14/2008 5:10:07 AM PDT by jwparkerjr
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To: jwparkerjr
Too many of us this whole business of chasing down Obama's eligibility for the presidency seems like we are running rabbits. We fear that we will appear overzealous and become an object of derision in the mainstream press. My best personal guess is that there is nothing to any of these allegations.

But hold fast.

On the other hand, we all have the memory of the disgraced sociopath who gained the White House despite the press being possessed of evidence against him which they covered, or released only grudgingly, and then rationalized away. Case in point: the Gennifer Flowers tapes demonstrated that Clinton had committed adultery with her, in his own voice they revealed that he had advised her to lie about it, and to lie about it in an affidavit, and that so long as Gennifer Flowers continued to deny the affair no one could prove otherwise. When the tapes were finally exposed, the mainstream media acted as though it had been exposed to formaldehyde and held its nose and deplored the whole business. It minimized the adultery, the lying, Clinton's suborning of lying in writing in the affidavit and, despite the evidence of the tapes in their possession, willfully suspended belief relying on a Clinton generated study which falsely but transparently alleged that the tapes and been altered.

Some years later new tapes emerged which were eerily reminiscent of the Gennifer Flowers tapes which in effect indicted Bill Clinton for adultery, for lying about it, for suborning perjury, for suggesting that Monica Lewinsky secure fraudulent affidavits, and telling her that as long as she continued to deny the affair, it could not be proved.

Not only did the mainstream press show itself to be very reluctant to point out the parallel, it demonstrated itself to be eager to dismiss the whole matter has too fantastic. But all this of course only after the mainstream media was forced to deal with the matter after they had refused to do so by virtue of its publication in the Drudge Report.

Is there any wonder that conservatives have wholly lost faith in the press to do its job, the failing of which means that democracy might not work?

If this example were not enough, we have the phony service records flaked to the world by Dan Rather. We have the most recent history of the mainstream media simply refusing to publish a story about a former vice presidential candidate of the United States and a serious candidate for the presidential nomination this cycle. It seems that it does not matter if we think about recent times or ancient times, the mainstream media cannot be relied upon to do the reporting that democracy needs when that reporting endangers a golden boy or a treasured myth. As evidence of this trait in ancient times, consider the reporting of Duranty of the Stalinist genocide in Ukraine for which the New York Times received the Pulitzer Prize.

So what is a poor conservative to do? Are we to rely on the mainstream media to expose one of their own? There is nothing in the history of this media which gives one confidence that they will do so. We are left with no choice but to proceed with our investigation even "in our pajamas" and risk looking foolish for running rabbits, to risk looking like fanatical right-wingers whose opinions about anything cannot be trusted because we acted so foolishly in matters like Obama's background. If one says that the allegations are too fantastic on their face to be believed, one need only consider how utterly fantastic the entire impeachment drama of our disgraced former sociopathic president was. One need only reflect on the forgeries passed off by Dan Rather.

We will be belittled by the media in any event so let us at least take the chance which might prove out as opposed to passively forfeiting the game.


38 posted on 08/14/2008 5:43:37 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: jwparkerjr

I think a lot of americans have forgotten all the pre-election concerns. So much for learning from past mistakes.


57 posted on 08/14/2008 6:38:55 AM PDT by Freedom2specul8 (Please pray for our troops.... http://www.americasupportsyou.mil/)
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To: jwparkerjr
I would like to think that Americans are smart enough to have learned a lesson from the Clinton era. Obviously not.

The bosses who have sex with underlings learned that it was OK.
People who cheated on their wives learned that it is OK.
Politicians who took bribes learned that it is OK.
Drug users learned it was OK.
Business men learned that selling secrets to China is OK.
People with no moral compass learned that they were OK, and that having one of their own in the White House was very comfortable...

75 posted on 08/14/2008 8:03:56 AM PDT by null and void (Barack zerObama - International Man of Mystery...)
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