Posted on 08/13/2008 6:42:34 AM PDT by shrinkermd
That's amazing. If a young person got a job right out of high school and worked their butts off for four years, wouldn't that also prove all those things without the thousands and thousands of dollars of debt?
I would STRONGLY encourage him to go to college. In college he will gain the skills and meet people that will further his inventiveness. Also, there are many fields where he can be active in the field and not tied behind a desk.
Perhaps you should have taken more courses each term and gotten out earlier instead of partying. Don’t blame the univerisity for you lack of discipline and motivation.
Deal with your issues. I’m not among them.
Chances are, that after working their butts off for four years, they would still be thousands of dollars in debt ...
I believe you stated specifically that you wished you could have gotten out of school in a shorter time but wasted the time partying and were blaming the school for the number of years you took to graduate. I will go back and get your statement if you insist.
I insist
My daughter wants to be a taxidermist. She’s been thinking about this for a long time and that is her dream. She wants to build her own business and she has the guts, talent and brains to do it. She’s preparing a five year plan and wants to work for an hourly wage to support herself until the business takes off. Eventually she wants to take on apprentices.
But she’s getting a lot of pressure from “the family” to get at least a BA in “something”. I told her that a Associates in business wouldn’t hurt, but I’m not going to push her in this department. I honestly don’t think she’s on the wrong path.
#184: I worked hard obtaining my engineering degree from one of the nation’s top universities. Lots of partying too. Could have gotten the degree in half the time at a fraction of the cost without the added benefits of the fun country club. Wouldn’t have preferred it, but others might.
Here in your own words you admit that it was your partying that was the reason it took you so long to graduate.
Possibly because their specific college degree gives them extra expertise. When I worked for "giant chemical company", most of their lab technicians had degrees in non-science but fields of study that required some technical courses. One of the best technicians had a degree in education with specialty in physics. My sis-in-law has a degree in home economics (which requires a surprising amount of chemistry) and works as a lab-tech for a different "giant chemical company". I could give many more examples.
I have a BS in Marketing/Finance, and a minored in history, and believe it or not, was able to take more history courses than business courses. I think some of the classes I took in high school were ten times tougher than those I took in college. Thankfully I have a good “B.S. Filter” and digested the important stuff. I was a thorn in the side to progressive professors, who felt the need to indoctrinate me with such things as: cultural awareness, diversity studies, post-Steinem basketweaving, etc.... I have to agree, that college isn’t for everyone, and in far too many communities it is impressed upon the youth that they can’t succeed without a degree. My high school used to boast about the fact that they had a 95% college placement rate. They failed to mention that that percentage went down to around 70% as many realized that they were wasting their time in academia. There is nothing wrong with doing time in the military first, or going out to the workplace. More often than not, you’ll do better in school if you are a little older, and have some life’s experiences under your belt. Just my opinion.
I said: “I worked hard obtaining my engineering degree from one of the nation’s top universities. Lots of partying too. Could have gotten the degree in half the time at a fraction of the cost without the added benefits of the fun country club. Wouldn’t have preferred it, but others might.”
You said: “I believe you stated specifically that you wished you could have gotten out of school in a shorter time but wasted the time partying and were blaming the school for the number of years you took to graduate. I will go back and get your statement if you insist.”
I never said that I “wasted time partying.”
I never was “blaming” anyone, including the school,although obviously their policy foreclosed the options I think should be available to others.
So, you entirely mis-characterized my points. You owe me an apology. I would equally accept your simply buzzing off.
All studying has biochemical benefits in the brain.
In my opinion Human Resources should stay out of the hiring process. That should be left to the managers and supervisors that are there to test the candidate’s knowledge.
However, other are far faster, cheaper and more effective ways to achieve the same ends...You don’t need to send kids to a party country club to have them learn the essentials to be a productive adult.
You are obviously saying that the "party country club" is to blame for wasting the students time and then you say that (for your case) it was your partying that was the reason for the time it took you to graduate. Can't have it both ways.
I have hired employees via the HR system and also have bypassed HR when needed. In all cases, it was left up to the managers/supervisors to test the candidates' knowledge.
From my experience, the final hiring decision usually comes from management anyway. It’s standard practice that HR mainly screens out the bottom rung of applicants who are obviously not qualified for the job they are applying for in the first place. This really does save mid-level managers and upper management the time it would take to complete a basic first screening of resumes anyway. In my experience, management is usually very involved with the hiring process for the business consulting firms I have worked for in the past. HR will ask very basic questions and it really isn’t hard to get past them, plus it really would not be a good use of management time to ask those basic questions when HR can do it for a much cheaper salary rate. When it gets more challenging is when you make it to mid and upper level management, where the questions become more detailed and then you have to complete case studies.
Typical state college tuition is about $5k per year.
I think you missed the last line of my prior post.
Let us revisit your post:
I worked hard obtaining my engineering degree from one of the nation’s top universities. Lots of partying too.
Could have gotten the degree in half the time at a fraction of the cost without the added benefits of the fun country club.
1. You spent lots of time partying.
2. You say that you could have gotten your degree in half the time without the benefits (partying).
3. You infer that the cause of your partying was the "fun country club."
Conclusion: You have blamed the school for the time it took you to graduate because of your partying.
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