Georgia to pull out of CIS - Saakashvili

Reuters (excerpt) ^ | August 12, 2008

[Freelance Warrior]

Shut up russkie. Go to some other forum. You are convincing no one on this blog.No one cares here.

You are neither the owner of the forum, nor a mod. So keep trying to drive me away from here, I won't pay any attention.

[Thunder90]

The CIS is meaningless. The CSTO and SCO are the real power organizations.

[Alia]

No, I'd not heard that. So, they want to turn into Spain? So that Russia has mercenaries fight their war for them, destabilizing the whole situation, and then be right there as if they hadn't caused any of it.

Hard to make that work now; but if that's what being proposed, that would be the gambit.

[Tramonto]

Please note, that Georgia loves the USA not because they're good guys, but they expect US help in their problems. The main of them is the Ossetian and Abkhazian issues.

Russia is pro-separatist, so choosing the USA seem natural.

If the regions can secede, the Georgian enthusiasm will fall very low.

If Georgians just wanted to keep their country intact, they would bow to the Kremlin and then Russia wouldn't care one little bit about Ossetia's independence(Chechnya?). Sure they hope we help them but they love America just like millions people who were oppressed by Russia. Because America means freedom.

[Trailerpark Badass]

What was this? Probably, your work experience? I’m sorry that you have such person as a manager.

LOL, no, I have no interest in organized crime or sex slavery.

[Freelance Warrior]

Kremlin and then Russia wouldn't care one little bit about Ossetia's independence(Chechnya?). Sure they hope we help them but they love America just like millions people who were oppressed by Russia. Because America means freedom.

They didn't have a situation of choice. Russia supported Ossetians and Abkhazians when the whole thing began.

[Clemenza]

The Ukraine's authorities problem with Russia is they have large pro-Russian (and pro-Soviet) part of the population.

Ethnic Russians all. They were encouraged to settle there, first by the Czar and later in the USSR.

Here's hoping that the "ethnic Russians" in the former Soviet Republics go the way of the "ethnic Germans" who had settlements all the way to the Urals.

[Tramonto]

Im just wondering, which country do you think is more corrupt, Russia or Georgia?

My parents lived in hunger and poverty under the Russian boot so I naturally assume the worst of them when they invade other countries using false pretenses as an excuse.

[Freelance Warrior]

Im just wondering, which country do you think is more corrupt, Russia or Georgia?

Georgia was one of the most corrupt parts in the USSR. Don't know what is the corruption situation there now. But being well-off financially in Russia has little to do with corruption, much more with personal activity.

My parents lived in hunger and poverty under the Russian boot

may I ask where and when was it?

they invade other countries using false pretenses as an excuse

Georgians did howitzer shelling of a city. Georgians themselves had agreed to Russian peace-keeping forces in the nineties and that agreement was effective before they started an offensive operation. Moreover, they agreed for peace-talks with Ossetians shortly before the operation.

[Tramonto]

I am half Romanian and half Slovak. My parents left just before the starvation of the 1980s.

[Freelance Warrior]

Interesting. Why was starvation the USSR took all the food or something?

[Tramonto]

Yeh at least that what the government told its people. Romanian wheat went to USSR and Romania had to import food. I guess that Ceausescu stopped importing food to pay down some national debts and the people had to do with less.

Under the communist system, farms and live stock were confiscated. My older sisters used to go out in the middle of the night to buy a milk from a neighbor who was selling it on the black market. My parents sent them because they knew that if they got caught, they wouldn’t be sent to prison. After we came to America, it got really bad and there were food riots.

There sure was lot of suffering in that part of the world.

[Freelance Warrior]

Yeh at least that what the government told its people. Romanian wheat went to USSR and Romania had to import food. I guess that Ceausescu stopped importing food to pay down some national debts and the people had to do with less.

This means that the Romanian situation was much worse than the Soviet one. Nobody starved in the USSR, while not all kinds of food were available. And city dwellers grew vegetables in small patches of land and got a sustainable source of food in such way.

[Tramonto]

I don't know if it was worse or not. Im not sure how many people actually died as a result of the shortages but one thing that made the situation worse was the program to make every one live in apartments. This meant that lots of people didn't have the ability to grow their own food at all.

19). The intentional and unjustified obligation of the Romanian population to live in conditions of extreme poverty, particularly in the 1980s A few examples of the causes by which the general health of the populace was gravely affected: · Starvation of the populace through “rationalisation of alimentation” and rationing of basic foodstuffs (meat, flour, eggs, butter, sugar, oil etc.) · Frequent failure to accord urgent medical assistance to the elderly · Deliberate heating cuts and chronic lack of hot water in blocks of flats · Deliberate electricity, gas and water cuts. As a rule, these cuts were frequent, came without warning and lasted for unpredictable periods. Similarly, resumption of gas supply also caused serious cases of poisoning (some fatal). Moreover, during the 1980s, street lighting was wholly, or almost wholly, suspended.

http://www.roconsulboston.com/Pages/InfoPages/Commentary/Communism/liesiuReport.html