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In terms of how we've responded to this, the President was informed immediately on Friday, when we received news of the first two SS-21 Russian missile launchers into Georgian territory. He immediately -- this was at the Great Hall -- he immediately met with President Putin. They had a discussion. The President then engaged with his national security staff continuously over the last two days. He has spoken with -- again with Putin that evening. He then talked with President Medvedev yesterday evening, as well as President Saakashvili. Secretary Rice has spoken repeatedly with President Saakashvili, as well as with her Russian counterpart, Foreign Minister Lavrov, and many European leaders.

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1 posted on 08/11/2008 8:19:26 PM PDT by Flavius
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2 posted on 08/11/2008 8:21:16 PM PDT by Flavius (war gives peace its security)
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Well, I say we see his SS-21’s and up him some “strapped” B-2’s in Incirlik.


3 posted on 08/11/2008 8:22:31 PM PDT by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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Oh not good, not good not good.

I really hope they don't use those on their own people...or on anyone else for that matter.

4 posted on 08/11/2008 8:22:42 PM PDT by Domandred (McCain's 'R' is a typo that has never been corrected)
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Not good.


5 posted on 08/11/2008 8:22:55 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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Let me fix your link:

Business Wire confirms the subject matter of the news briefing in Beijing. Link

7 posted on 08/11/2008 8:23:51 PM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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This is Bush’s second biggest challenge of his Presidency. In some respects you could say his biggest till date. The commies are a whole different ball game than the Islamofascists.


8 posted on 08/11/2008 8:24:14 PM PDT by libh8er
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C'mon. They are simply being deployed to protect innocent South Ossetians from the vaunted Georgian military.
/sarc
9 posted on 08/11/2008 8:24:30 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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Has Turkey weighed in on this latest development? I would think they’d have something to say.


11 posted on 08/11/2008 8:24:48 PM PDT by skeeter
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An SS-21 can carry a nuclear weapon, but they also can carry conventional ones.

This appears to be more posturing to me. This is rapidly turning into a new “Cuban Missle Crisis.”


12 posted on 08/11/2008 8:25:10 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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If this escalates and we get involved will Bush suspend the elections????


14 posted on 08/11/2008 8:25:39 PM PDT by al baby (Hi mom Cracker power Brother)
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Hrmmm google search came up with SS-21 being primarily a high explosive conventional warhead, but could be outfitted with mines, bomblets, chemical, or tac-nuke.

Any confirmation what they carrying besides just the launchers being moved in?

16 posted on 08/11/2008 8:27:49 PM PDT by Domandred (McCain's 'R' is a typo that has never been corrected)
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The missiles were moved in on Friday?


17 posted on 08/11/2008 8:27:55 PM PDT by rjp2005 (Lord have mercy on us)
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Putin had promised some sort of ‘response’ to the US/Poland/Czech missle defense pact. I guess this is it.


18 posted on 08/11/2008 8:28:02 PM PDT by libh8er
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Putin had promised some sort of ‘response’ to the US/Poland/Czech missle defense pact. I guess this is it.


19 posted on 08/11/2008 8:28:04 PM PDT by libh8er
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This is A-100 crappola. What we need to do now is not in the ‘What if?’ book. We need to bomb those SS-21’s out of existence with whatever clever stuff we have that they can’t see coming. Just bomb them out. Then tell them by way of the diplomats we’ll be escorting out of Washington, that further ‘A-100 Crappola’ will not be treated as nicely.


20 posted on 08/11/2008 8:28:31 PM PDT by perchprism
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So what are they going to do with those things shoot them at the Georgia capital?

The SS-21 SCARAB missile (9M79) has a maximum range of 70 km and a CEP of 160 meters, while the improved composite propellant 9M79-1 (Tochka-U) has a maximum range of 120 km. The basic warhead is the 9N123F HE-Frag warhead which has 120 kg of high explosives. The 9N123K submunition warhead can probably carry either bomblets or mines. The SS-21 can also carry the AA60 tactical nuclear warhead. Other warheads are believed to include chemical, terminally guided warhead, and a smart-munition bomblet warhead. In 1981, the SS-21, a guided missile (providing improvement in both range and accuracy), began replacing the FROG in forward-deployed divisions, and 140 are were deployed as of 1988. Division-level SS-21 battalions were being consolidated into brigades in Soviet armies in East Germany.

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/row/ss-21.htm

21 posted on 08/11/2008 8:28:46 PM PDT by Red Steel
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From TOW:
The OTR-21 [aka SS-21 Scarab] is a road-mobile missile launch system, designed to be deployed along with other land combat units on the battlefield. While the FROG-7 is large and inaccurate, the OTR-21 is much smaller. The missile itself can be used for precise strikes on enemy targets with tactical importance, such as control posts, bridges and storage facilities. It can be also very effective against troop concentrations and airfields, weakening the enemy overall. If needed, the FRAG-HE warhead can be replaced with a nuclear, biological or chemical warhead. The solid propellant makes the missile easier to maintain and deploy. OTR-21 units are usually managed in a brigade structure, with 18 launchers in a brigade. Each launcher is provided with 2 or 3 missiles. The vehicle is completely amphibious, with a maximum road speed of 60 km/h and 8 km/h in water. It is NBC-protected. The system has been in development since 1968. Subsequently, three variants have been created.

The initial variant OTR-21 Tochka (Scarab A) entered service with the Soviet Army in 1975. The missile has a weight of 2 000 kg. Its warhead is 482 kg of conventional HE, fragmentation or nuclear. The minimal range is about 15 km, and the maximum range is 70 km, and CEP is estimated to be about 150 m. The guidance system is inertial. The lethal radius of the conventional warhead is more than 200 m. The length of the missile is 6.4 m, its diameter - 0,65 m.

An improved variant, the Scarab B (Tochka-U), has been introduced in 1989. The range is increased to 120 km by improving the propellant. CEP is less than 95 m. A third variant, Scarab C, has also been developped in the 90s, with a range of 185 km, a weight of 1 800 kg and even a smaller CEP. North Korea is known to have developed a local variant, the KN-2, by reverse-engineering Syrian-supplied Scarab A missiles.[1]

One of suspected uses of the OTR-21 Tochka in combat came on October 21, 1999 during the Second Chechen War. On that date U.S. military surveillance systems tracked a launch of five to six short-range missiles from within Russia that landed in the city of Grozny. The missiles struck a marketplace and maternity ward, resulting in at least 143 fatalities...[2]

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22 posted on 08/11/2008 8:29:03 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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Why would anyone give credibility to anything coming from Amy Goodman's program?
24 posted on 08/11/2008 8:31:24 PM PDT by isrul (Help make every day, "Disrespect a muzzie day.")
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At this point, I don't believe this report. The Russians would be fools to use nukes when they have no need to.

P.S. They have no need to.

28 posted on 08/11/2008 8:34:48 PM PDT by Barnacle (Communists and Jihadists were at odds...Then came Barack.)
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So where exactly are the French, Germans, Italians, Spanish and British in all of this? It's their back yard, why don't they deal with it? Oh yeah, I forgot. They're a bunch of appeasing surrender monkeys with the possible exception of the British.
30 posted on 08/11/2008 8:37:16 PM PDT by Desron13 (If you constantly vote between the lesser of two evils then evil is your ultimate destination.)
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