Posted on 08/07/2008 8:42:20 PM PDT by Kevmo
When and How will the Obama Birth Certificate Forgery story break into the MSM? How do we get this out? Will we need to start filing lawsuits in each individual state?
Post your suppositions and activist suggestions here.
According to 8 USC Section 1401
d) Parent lived in the U.S.A. (or outlying possessions) for a period of at least one continuous year prior to birth of child, if the other parent is a U.S. National but not a citizen. 8 U.S.C. § 1408 stipulates that a person whose only connection to the U.S. is through birth in an outlying possession (which as of 2005 is limited to American Samoa and Swains Island), or through descent from a person so born acquires U.S. nationality but not U.S. citizenship.
OR
g) Parent lived at least a total of 10 years within the U.S.A. (or outlying possession), and at least 5 years total after the age of FOURTEEN.
Pertainent ammendments to this section of the code:
1986 - Subsec. (g). Pub. L. 99-653 substituted "five years, at least two" for "ten years, at least five".This ammendment is not applicable in a foreign birth situation to a U.S. citizen parent prior to the date of the ammendment, in that Congress is prohibited from passing any ex post facto laws. The point is that that is the ONLY ammendment to that part of the statute; the age FOURTEEN as been inviolate since the statute's inception.
Given that Obama's father was NOT a U.S. National, 8 USC Section 1401(d) is not applicable. Therefor, Obama's mother MUST be no younger than 19 at the time of NoBama's birth, AND she must've resided in the U.S.A. (or its outlying possessions) for 5 continuous years prior to his birth. This of course is ONLY relevent if NoBama wasn't born within the U.S.A (or its outlying possessions). And the older than 19 NoBama's Mamma when he was born, the longer the time she could've been outside of the country. So if she was 20 when NoBama was born, she could've been outside of the country for a total of ONE YEAR after she turned 14.
IF he was born within the U.S.A. (or outlying possessions), then he is entitled to American citizenship (not naturalization) as matter of Law jus soli. As a practical matter, citizenship is conferred to the child in accordance to the Father's nationality and / or citizenship as a matter of jus sanguinis. Nevertheless, and that notwithstanding, jus sanguinis does not abrogate inherent rights of jus soli.
I believe that it is almost universally accepted that one can reclaim one's "birthright" at any time. However, there are mitigating factors in which jus soli would irrevocably be relinquished; such matters would be deliberate acts and most likely after the age of majority.
With respect to dual-citizenship its complicated. The U.S. Immigration Support web-site states that dual-citizenship is recognized by the U.S. government. It is stated that
The U.S. government allows dual citizenship. United States law recognizes U.S. Dual Citizenship, but the U.S. government does not encourage it is as a matter of policy due to the problems that may arise from it. It is important to understand that a foreign citizen does NOT lose his or her citizenship when becoming a U.S. citizen. An individual that becomes a U.S. citizen through naturalization may keep his or her original citizenship. However, as some countries do not recognize dual citizenship, it is important to consider it carefully before applying for U.S. citizenship.I've always percieved citizenship to be that of whatever country you live in and pay taxes to. However, I can identify with cultural ties that preclude one from severing citizenship ties to the "old country" of one's heritage (even if its "vestiginal" in that no obligation or onus is placed by the country of one's heritage.Dual citizenship is a complex issue and it is important that you understand that there also obligations and not only benefits that comes with being a dual citizen. Being a citizen of two countries means that you need to obey the laws of both countries, including paying taxes and serving in the military (if required by any of the countries)...
The biggest issue with regards to citizenship pertains to travel. International travel requires passports and quite possibley either exit or entry visas (or both). Having dual citizenship allows one to enter on a foreign passport and entry visa is not required by the destination country. However, the reverse may not be so clear.
The destination country may require an exit visa to leave the country on a "foreign" passport, i.e., American. Returning to the "home" country with the "home" passport from a foreign destination will not contain an exit stamp of the "foreign" country on the "home" passport. That could require an entry visa to the "home" country. Its not quite "Catch-22", but it can get sticky; you either don't get out easily of the "foreign" country, or you may not get in to the "home" country so easily. Its always been my thought that the point of having two passports was so that one could get out of hairy situations when needed. Nevertheless, the issue of exit / entry visa is a potential issue; how would one explain to that particular interested "gatekeeper" why such visa isn't in the passport currently being used? Dual / multiple passport travel is definitely not for the faint hearted, and especially if one doesn't know what they're doing.
I heard tell:
On the Vietnamese-Lao border I met a very poor guy who had left Lao using his NZ passport, and trying to enter Vietnam om his English one. The Vietnamese wouldn't let him in and didn't acknowledge that it is possible to have two passports. In fact they thought he was a criminal with two passports. The Lao would not let him in anymore since he did not have a valid visa anymore. I hope he is not still sitting there...
>>>Will we need to start filing lawsuits in each individual state?
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=71763
Ted Moran, who said he wished to be contacted at brotherbear@solomonsstables.org, said he also was launching a campaign to discern the truth about Obama’s birth certificate.
“I am looking for 50 brave men or women from 49 states and the District of Columbia to join me in suing the secretaries of state in our respective states to prevent them from posting the name Barak H. Obama on the November 2008 ballot until he presents incontrovertible proof that he is a … U.S. citizen,” he said. “The secretaries of state are the ones who by placing a person or initiative on the ballot certify that the candidates or initiatives meet the legal requirements to be on the ballot.
There have been several news stories started by liberals to "bait" conservatives into making accusations that end up being easily proved false (remember the Michelle Obama video).
Proceed with caution
Fact: Obama’s Certificate of Live Birth is a forgery and looks nothing like an Original document.
When it is proved to be his half sister’s photoshopped with his name, and it will be proved, the MSM will have to make a choice, support a fraud or expose it.
They can no longer afford to ignore it.
At the time of the ratification of the constitution, there was no such thing as a "certified birth certificate."
If Barack Obama's mother, Kansas native Ann Dunham, was indeed a U.S. citizen and living in Hawaii at the time of the boy's birth, who cares whether there is a birth certificate or not?
There is no evidence that his mother, Ann Dunham Obama, was located anywhere outside the United States or its territories at the time of the child's birth.
I bring up these points to assert there are plenty of GOOD reasons not to elect Barack Obama without arguing over the authenticity of his birth certificate.
All this talk about Nobamas COB reminds me of Bill Klintons medical records that we have never seen.
But why post a fake to begin with then?
Why take so long to produce it?
Will the one he produces be open for inspection by experts?
And will we be able to trace the pay-off money? Ok...that one is sarcasm...maybe.
that is cool!
i like this guy’s comment in the rocky mountain news:
(btw i grew up reading it, and it was always pro-union.)
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August 6, 2008
12:25 p.m.
Denverbusinessman writes:
He’s an academic, no business experience, no military experience, has served little time in the Senate. He got a free ride in life and in college due to his affirmative action status.
It will have to be exposed to the public while hillary can be nominated in his place, if not, it will ruin the cliinton plan.
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His dad was not then and never was ever a citizen of the US. It doesn’t matter where Obama was born, for unless both known parents were US citizens or he father is completely unknown to anyone — he is not “natural born” as that term was used when the Constitution was adopted.
the black box across the cert # is the only thing that’s needed and is the most effective visual. No techduding needed for that, particularly when McCain’s is readily available.
I was there. Were you?
On the long thread, others Brats have come forward and reported the same thing.
You gonna call us all liars?
Interesting—would you have any sources you could quote on that?
If so, it’s just one more example of how prescient and far-sighted the Founders were. Simply amazing.
Barack Obama would be an American citizen regardless of location of birth if Stanley Ann was NOT married when he was born.
He'd be a bastard, but at least he'd be an American bastard...
In the context of Obama's situation -- whatever that may be, and there are very few certainties known about his birth -- the term "natural born" is definitely not settled law.
Up thread apparently Barack's memoirs say his mom was in Kenya 72 hours before his birth. Back in those days airlines wouldn't allow very late term pregnant women on long flights, as they simply were not equipped for emergency childbirth at 20,000 ft.
The first confirmed itty-bitty baby Barak sighting is 2500 miles away from Honolulu, within spittin' distance of Canada. It was so shortly after birth that Susan Blake felt she had to show Stanley Ann how to change a diaper.
The only evidence that he was born in Hawaii is a blurry copy of an obviously altered BC (The cert # is banked out, this BY ITSELF voids the document) posted on a couple prObama web sites.
You'd have to prove that you are eligible to work in the US to get a dishwasher job.
Should we hold our leaders to a lower standard?
Forgive me for being ignorant, but do we have the original to compare it with? I didn't think we did.
Perhaps I can offer an alternative scenario: the Birth Certificate is not a forgery, but just computer enhanced for readibility/clarity. The original may have been damaged somehow or faded and someone decided to "clean it up" using image software.
Is that possible?
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