Posted on 08/06/2008 9:33:26 AM PDT by Jay777
Predictably the ACLU are crying over the verdict of Osama's Driver in his military trial.
After a trial filled with overwhelming constitutional and procedural flaws, a jury of military officers today found Salim Hamdan guilty of providing material support for terrorism. The American Civil Liberties Union has been at Guantánamo Bay observing the Hamdan proceedings, which lacked the fundamental legal safeguards found in traditional U.S. courts or military courts governed by the Uniform Code of Military Justice.Followed by bloviation and terrorist love from Anthony Romero.
The Center For Constitutional Law is also pitching a hissy fit.
And in a large surprise to me, Firedoglake is weepy about this conviction. But don't say that the Left supports terrorism. That would be mean.
(Excerpt) Read more at stoptheaclu.com ...
"Jihad is NOT the Answer!"
"What if they gave a Jihad and Nobody Came?"
Hypocracy at its finest.
The radical left is 100% in agreement with the goal of the jihadis: destroy Western Civilization.
A war-trial should basically be a means of documenting why you are going to hang someone.
Its not a civilian trial, and since you took the guy prisoner as part of military action, the presumption of innocence is pretty meaningless. Battlefields aren’t crime scenes. And if your spook operators have captured someone off the streets of Rome, for example, you’re not going to “presume innocence” either, your sources aren’t going to be opened up to the enemy’s lawyers. You may not even want anyone to know you are holding the guy.
As I say, the proper purpose of a war-trial should be simply to document the reasons you are going to hold someone, or hang them, or turn them loose. And with the limitations of what you can allow to go into files that might one day be made public, it isn’t going to be complete or exhaustive.
This is war. You don’t read people their rights before you drop a 500 pound bomb on them, you don’t serve subpoenas on enemy commanders, and you don’t presume innocence in a war-trial.
The ACLU, CFR and others are just arms of the Illuminati currently known as Moriah of the Wind and before Jesus Christ was born they were known as Brotherhood of the Snake (or Serpent), so go figure. People that say these conspiracies do not exist either have their head in the proverbial sand or are part of the conspiracy.
So what’s next, Obama (Barry) leading a group of suicide bombing losers protesting with the chant “Yes We Can”?
That’s a bad joke folks...
How far are you willing to take this? Given the nature of this war, suspects are as likely to get picked up on the streets of Brooklyn as they are in Rome.
Look at the case of Jose Padilla- a native-born American citizen, arrested in Chicago. The government's original position was that he was not entitled to any legal proceedings. That is essentially the same as being "disappeared."
If only it was the NAALCP because that would cost him some votes.
What ya do overseas don't necessarily stay overseas.
The rules governing various levels and types of military dscipline for our own troops (UCMJ) are different than those applicable to civilian courts of law but I don’t see the ACLU and their kin having a hissy fit like this every time a sailor gets sent to the brig or a soldier is sent to a US Army prison.
People like Salim Hamdan are fortunate they even get a trial and have an opportunity to defend their actions.
The thousands of innocent people he and his kind helped slaughter didn’t recieve the same consideration.
The only problem with this decision is that Hamdan didn’t get the death sentence.
Now we taxpayers will have to support him and his lawyers for years while his lawyers file appeal after appeal and try every dirty trick they can think of to subvert justice.
I say they do not exist and don't have my head in the sand. I guess that means I'm part of it. And if I'm part of it that means it exists. So know you know about us and we have to kill you. Don't bother to run and hide. We track you all the time with the secret implant.
But Padilla wasn’t “disappeared”, everyone knew he was being held. The only question was whether to treat him as a criminal or an enemy agent. They finally decided to treat him as a criminal. Since the case was relatively rare, and the evidence was able to be made public, thats probably alright. But if there were many Padillas, and the evidence was difficult to make public at this stage of the war, I’d intern him with the other enemy combatants. We can sort out his case after the war.
If you’ve grabbed an Al Qaeda sheik in Sarajevo, and your evidence is all based on classified sources, you may not want his colleagues to know you have him for a couple of months. In fact this is a very normal scenario. You want to get what information you can, and act on it before anyone knows you have him. He’s not under arrest, and he’s not charged with any crime. His only crime is the fact that he’s the enemy and he may have information you need. Strictly speaking, thats not a crime. It certainly may not be a crime in Sarajevo where you nabbed him.
If you’re at war, you don’t care.
At some point, you have to make a decision what to do with him. His “guilt” or “innocence” shouldn’t enter into it, because in his country what he’s doing may be completely legal, or at the very least what he’s doing is right in his own eyes. You don’t care. All you care is if he’s a threat or not, and thats a subjective opinion.
War isn’t like peace, and a war-trial can’t be like a peace-time trial, they are two different things and have two very different purposes. I know what I’m saying isn’t the current state of affairs, because it seems we’ve lost sight of that. You can’t litigate war; if you could litigate it you wouldn’t be at war in the first place.
Haha
I have stolen your comment and converted it to my new tagline.
Thank you so much. C. Chan.
I saw this coming, are they going to now plead to the “World Court” for an appeal?
Just wonder when other subversive groups like the Chamber of Commerce join in....hey it seems the Chamber (ie Collective of Communists) has been in bed with the ACLU on illegals, gun rights...only a matter of time before its terrorist rights...
The ACLU is crying. AAH. Give them a hanky then cut the federal funding for them.
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