Is that what you wanted?
Posted on 08/05/2008 4:25:27 PM PDT by UCANSEE2
Texas child welfare officials on Tuesday asked a court to order foster care for eight children at a polygamous compound, saying their mothers have refused to limit the children's contact with men suspected of being involved in underage marriages.
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"In the cases of the eight children listed in today's court filing, the mothers have refused to sign the safety plans," according to the statement, which said the cases include six girls and two boys who range in age from 5 to 17 years old.
A hearing to determine whether to put the eight children in foster care was scheduled for September 25.
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State officials said the agency has reviewed thousands of documents seized from the ranch, including marriage records, that show "a pervasive pattern of spiritual marriages between older men and girls 17 and younger."
(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...
Eight? Well, that’s a lot less psychotic than kidnapping hundreds like before.
Only 8?
At least one of whom is 17. A “child” to CPS and the Brady Bunch
Wonder if the CPS is going to take the underage illegals that were busted at the slaughterhouse?
Naw....lets go after a church we dont like
FLDS biggest mistake was not claiming they were illegal aliens....the TX CPS would have left them alone
The documents, seeking again the removal of eight children in four families, are the broadest release yet of evidence uncovered by investigators at the YFZ Ranch, the Schleicher County compound raided in April after allegations of physical and sexual abuse.
"All four motions have different facts to support them," said Austin-based CPS attorney Charles Childress, who filed the motions about 1:30 p.m. "Mostly, it's about failure to comply."
Retired District Judge Marilyn Aboussie, sitting in for 51st District Judge Barbara Walther, set hearings on the motions for Sept. 25, although that could change once Walther returns next week.
The six girls and four boys range in age from 5 to 17 years old.
Also today, CPS asked Aboussie to end the cases of 32 children "where there is no evidence of underage marriages in the family."
The motions cite a number of factors - alleging that one mother acknowledged that she did not know where or with whom her two children at the sect's YFZ Ranch were living while she lived in San Antonio.
Among the alleged underage marriages, CPS accuses Dr. Lloyd H. Barlow - the sect's on-site physician, who was indicted by a Schleicher County grand jury July 22 on three counts of failure to report abuse - of marrying a 16-year-old girl and telling investigators that in a case of domestic abuse situation, "church elders would handle the situation first."
According to an affidavit written by CPS special investigator Paul Dyer, Barlow told investigators he had delivered children to girls under the age of 18 "many times both on this ranch and in other places."
One of the subjects of the motions is the 14-year-old girl whose alleged "marriage" to sect leader Warren Jeffs at age 12 produced the now-infamous open-mouth kiss, a picture of which was among the first pieces of evidence released in the case.
Three of the eight children - two boys and the 14-year-old girl - are children of ranch leader and sect bishop Merril Jessop, who is accused of fostering and participating in an atmosphere that condones underage marriage.
According to one affidavit, the girl told her CPS questioner that marriages of girls younger than 18 "can't be a crime because Heavenly Father is the one that tells Warren when a girl is ready to get married, and that he is only following the word of the Heavenly Father."
The requests are the first since state appellate courts ordered the return of more than 400 FLDS children from the YFZ Ranch, which the agency had removed during a raid that began April 3.
“with men suspected”
since when does a man being suspected of anything give the state control over who parents may and may not allow their children to be around, and how does that give the state the right to take the children away from the mother and shove them into a strange home?
If ANYTHING, the suspected men should be restricted from contact with the children and put in jail if they break the court order.
Is this even America anymore? Its smelling more and more like utter communism every day.
Where’s the “Not this Stuff again” graphic ????
And now they blame the mothers for not doing it.
I have seen six month restraining orders issued against men during divorces. Those can be written up to keep men away from wives and children, if it is deemed warranted.
Isn't it warranted here? Why is this not being pursued?
alleging that one mother acknowledged that she did not know where or with whom her two children at the sect's YFZ Ranch were living while she lived in San Antonio. >P> CPS accuses Dr. Lloyd H. Barlow of marrying a 16-year-old girl and telling investigators that in a case of domestic abuse situation, "church elders would handle the situation first". Two children of Dr. Lloyd H. Barlow are subjects of the motion because Barlow told investigators he had delivered children to girls under the age of 18 many times both on this ranch and in other places.
One of the subjects of the motions is the 14-year-old girl whose alleged "marriage" to sect leader Warren Jeffs at age 12 produced the now-infamous open-mouth kiss, a picture of which was among the first pieces of evidence released in the case. Three of the children, two boys and the 14-year-old girl, are children of Merril Jessop, who is accused of fostering and participating in an atmosphere that condones underage marriage.
Also today, CPS asked 51st District Judge Marilyn Aboussie to end the cases of 32 children "where there is no evidence of underage marriages in the family.
In the Interest of Hanna Barlow and Renon Barlow
In the Interest of Amy Johnson
The closet FLDS freaks on this forum make me want to puke.
Other info:
Houston Chronicle
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/hotstories/5926113.html
....One of the children, a 10-year-old girl, told caseworkers she was moved from her mother’s home in Utah to the home of her uncle, Merrill Jessop and his wife Barbara. It was at least three years — not until after the government raid, that the girl finally saw her mother.
“(The girl) said that she misses her mother very much and when she asked her uncle Merrill Jessop about where her mother is living he has told her it was none of her business so she has just gotten to the point that she had stopped asking,” a caseworker wrote. The girl told CPS when she grows up she was to “be a good mother and have as many children as the ‘heavenly Father’ wants her to have.”
She also told CPS officials that Merrill Jessop “would make the decision as to when she would get married, at what age, and who she would marry,” according to an affidavit.
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Ditto.
At 3:30 he gave Annette strict instructions "to not any more go to the dentist or in town to any known appointments". He instructed Wendell W.J. Neilsen and Seth Allred to take her to town twice a week to make a phone call to Mosiah.
At 9pm that night Jeff's gathered together his 56 wives who were living at R17 for retraining . . ."very strong, direct, fine-tuned training on the perfection of the love of God and being Zion".
Are you not amazed at the defenders on this post tonight?
“The closet FLDS freaks on this forum make me want to puke.”
I doubt there are any real ‘closet FLDS freaks’ on FR, but I could be wrong.
I think it is easy to ‘judge’ others for their comments, because we don’t have their ‘background’ and ‘experiences’.
Each person’s ‘viewpoint’ is different, and many people have had bad experiences with LE, with CPS, with religion, with government, etc.
Those things can make one very biased.
So, maybe that is the best term.
Biased, pre-formed prejudices, obsession with only one aspect of the case....whatever.
The one’s we think are closet FLDS freaks, aren’t. They just don’t (and can’t) believe that people in prairie dresses, who share a common religious ancestry with Mormons, would ever do such things.
I doubt they would support the FLDS, were they to ‘ believe’ that the alleged crimes happened, and happened the way the evidence is pointing.
“since when does a man being suspected of anything give the state control over who parents may and may not allow their children to be around, and how does that give the state the right to take the children away from the mother and shove them into a strange home?”
Since the moment each state created a division of Family Services called the Child Protective Services.
“If ANYTHING, the suspected men should be restricted from contact with the children and put in jail if they break the court order.”
Some of them were.
Is that what you wanted?
Well, if they just had some complaints from some actual FLDS members, then I would believe them.
Well, if the crimes were true, they would have indicted someone by now.
Well, even though they were marrying underage girls, that doesn’t prove they had sex.
Well, Just because Warren,Merrill, Raymond, Rodney, Joe, Jim, Rulon, Henry, Felix, and the kitchen sink were found guilty of having sex with minors, it doesn’t mean there was a ‘pattern of abuse’.
Well... (I could go on, I’m having so much fun.)
“CPS asked 51st District Judge Marilyn Aboussie to end the cases of 32 children “where there is no evidence of underage marriages in the family.”
It’ like I said. Return the good apples back to the barrel.
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