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Apparently they want our whole lives, not just the part they already have.
1 posted on 08/01/2008 12:07:43 PM PDT by southlake_hoosier
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To: southlake_hoosier

Think of it as the “fairness Doctrine” for computers.


2 posted on 08/01/2008 12:09:16 PM PDT by MCCRon58 (Freedom does not mean you are free from the consequences of your own freely made decisions.)
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To: southlake_hoosier

My kid downloaded a dozen songs illegally to my laptop to put on his ipod. I am now at risk.


3 posted on 08/01/2008 12:09:44 PM PDT by spyone
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To: southlake_hoosier

Well at least they should snag the foreign laptops coming across to do the computing American laptops refuse to do.


4 posted on 08/01/2008 12:10:15 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: southlake_hoosier

More police-state fascism from DHS “for our protection”. Meanwhile, they cannot rustle up their army of highschool dropouts to take a momentary glance at 95% of the shipping containers entering the country.


6 posted on 08/01/2008 12:15:35 PM PDT by M203M4 (True Universal Suffrage: Pets of dead illegal-immigrant felons voting Democrat (twice))
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To: southlake_hoosier

“would open a vulnerability in our border by providing criminals and terrorists with a means to smuggle child pornography or other dangerous and illegal computer files into the country,”

I hope nobody tells this guy about the new fangled internets thing.


8 posted on 08/01/2008 12:16:26 PM PDT by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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To: southlake_hoosier

I think I’d rather lose my computer for awhile than have a bunch of innocent Americans killed in a terrorist attack.


9 posted on 08/01/2008 12:17:13 PM PDT by popdonnelly (Boycott Washington D.C. until they allow gun ownership)
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To: southlake_hoosier

This is starting to get a little ridiculous. Tomorrow it’ll be a little worse. The day after that a little worse. Eventually we won’t recognize our liberties and when we want them back, it’ll be too late. I pray I’m just being paranoid.


10 posted on 08/01/2008 12:17:44 PM PDT by djsherin
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You’ll get my laptop when you pry it from my cold dead fingers.! ! ! !


11 posted on 08/01/2008 12:17:53 PM PDT by DeaconRed (NO BOMA --NO RINO --- WE WOULD BE BETTER OFF WITH NUTIN-HONEY)
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To: southlake_hoosier

If they want to snoop, make it hurt. Fill the laptop up with weird sounding file/doc names and dump the foulest shock imagery the world has ever seen into it. Make sure everyone who actually looks at it doesn’t sleep for the next 10 years.


13 posted on 08/01/2008 12:19:16 PM PDT by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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“It reserves the right to seize for an indefinite period of time laptops taken across the border.

And just what part of personal property and unlawful search and seizure do they not understand??


19 posted on 08/01/2008 12:26:20 PM PDT by CodeToad
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1. They are allowed to no-knock raid and murder you in the dead of night based on an anonymous tip, evidence or no.
2. They'll confiscate your house to pay a tax debt, whether you actually owe it or not.
3. They can put up checkpoints and search you and your car based on nothing.
4. They will use surveliance technology to monitor and record you in public, based on nothing.
5. Should the IRS determine they want your income, you WILL be forced to testify against yourself, they will confiscate anything and everything you own and put your arse in prison to boot.
6. Hate crimes aka thought crimes will land you in prison if you're white.
7. they can confiscate and copy your laptop at the border based on nothing.

They own you, your property, your papers and your mind.

So, which part are you under the delusion they dont have?

21 posted on 08/01/2008 12:28:53 PM PDT by SwankyC
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All this in the land of the Free and the Home of the Brave. One wonders how many resources Homeland Security diverts from detecting terrorists ( that want to kill us) or finding illegal immigrants to find someone violating a copyright law. Truly, one has to look for a long time over time and space to find another such example of idiocy.
23 posted on 08/01/2008 12:29:58 PM PDT by Citizen Tom Paine (Swift as the wind; Calmly majestic as a forest; Steady as the mountains.)
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This complaint arose on the WA State/British Columbia border, where several Pakistani natives had their computers searched. They were claiming discrimination, so the HS comes out with a statement that they can search anyones computers.


24 posted on 08/01/2008 12:31:22 PM PDT by Eva (CHANGE- the post modern euphemism for Marxist revolution.)
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DHS claims the border search of electronic information is useful to detect terrorists, drug smugglers, and people violating "copyright or trademark laws."

And how exactly are "copyright or trademark laws" any of the DHS's business? Why stop at electronic information? The search of anyone anywhere at any time for any reason or no reason at all would undoubtedly be useful in detecting terrorists, drug smugglers and people violating "copyright or trademark laws."

DHS needs to be slapped down fast and hard. I question the need for this intrusive bureaucracy's existence at all.
28 posted on 08/01/2008 12:35:58 PM PDT by AnotherUnixGeek
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Well… you know I’m as knee-jerk as anybody when it comes to freedom and the Constitution. But this just isn’t a big deal.

It’s customs power, and frankly it’s nothing new. Customs has always had the power to look at anything they want at the border. There’s no probable cause required. Never has been. All this is about is that they’ve clarified that yeah, along with everything else this power extends to electronics too.

People act like suddenly it’s a surprise that Customs can open stuff up and rifle around through it. Ever traveled internationally? That’s what happens at Customs.

That said, generally they don’t do it full-bore, and they won’t be doing it now with all laptops either. It’s too much trouble and it’s not worth it. They’ll do it when they think it’s worthwhile. Just like always. Some people breeze through Customs and some people get their luggage torn up every way from sideways. When I was in the Coast Guard over twenty years ago we had this power with any vessel entering port. We didn’t even have to prove they’d been out of U.S. waters before we cut open all the upholstery. We could do it and we didn’t need probable cause either. But we usually didn’t do it, of course. No need to and it makes for bad PR. In fact, most of the time we ~did~ try to work up probable cause if we could, just because it’s nice to have, but we didn’t ~have to~.

The only thing not subject to a customs search is a sealed Diplomatic Pouch. That’s just the way it always has been and the way it has to be.


30 posted on 08/01/2008 12:38:17 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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As if criminals aren’t sophisticated enough to expect this?

Oh let’s see. I have plans to build an extra atmospheric globonalizer ray and I want to come to Amerika.

I think I’ll just open a free and anonymous email account from this Internet Schnell Imbiss in Heilbronn, Germany, and email the plans to another free and anonymous account I created from the free wireless at the Dar es Salaam Hilton, of which I wasn’t even a guest.

Then, I’ll fly to Amerika, go to a public library, or a University, and retrieve the email and download it on a micro SD card, in a hidden and encrypted partition, and insert it into my camera.

That way, you see, I can walk right into the Senate building and hand it over to Harry Ried, my handler.

That ok with you, komrad border guards?


31 posted on 08/01/2008 12:38:36 PM PDT by papasmurf (This space left blank intentionly.)
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DHS has created more Democrat voters than any other entity in history. Nice going.


33 posted on 08/01/2008 12:40:58 PM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ("One man's 'magic' is another man's engineering. 'Supernatural' is a null word." -- Robert Heinlein)
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52 posted on 08/01/2008 2:09:28 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 ("When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat." Ronald Reagan)
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If one understands the problem then one understands the remedies - encryption technology used to be prohibited from export - (that is, “codes” and other methods of using unique keys or algorithms that allow for secure communications) - get this - under “munitions”. That’s right, the federal government considered these things as dangerous as explosives. And, they’re probably right. Hell, you know they’re right. But what good is scanning everybodys’ hard-drive gonna do?

What the government needs to do is streamline, lose the buearacracy and learn to delegate fine distinctions and common sense to the folks charged with these jobs. That means hiring good people who are competent and prescient, etc.


55 posted on 08/01/2008 4:08:41 PM PDT by Freedom4US
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The entire notion of "Customs" searches seems unconstitutional to me. I am a US Citizen on US soil, and the government has no right to search me or my belongings unless they have reasonable cause to suspect that I have committed some sort of crime. The situation is even worse for private pilots who must sometimes land at airports they had no intention of visiting so some government lowlife can come and inspect their dirty underwear.

ML/NJ

57 posted on 08/02/2008 5:32:27 AM PDT by ml/nj
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