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Are Pot Users Criminals? The Tragic Case of Rachel Hoffman
ABC News ^ | July 24, 2008 | BRIAN ROSS and VIC WALTER

Posted on 07/25/2008 8:49:03 PM PDT by bamahead

After being caught twice with a "baggie" of marijuana, 23-year old Rachel Hoffman was reportedly told by police in Tallahassee, Florida that she would go to prison for four years unless she became an undercover informant.

The young woman, a recent graduate of Florida State University, was murdered during a botched sting operation two months ago.

"The idea of waging a war on drugs is to protect people and here it seems like we're putting people in harm's way," said Lance Block, a lawyer hired by Rachel's parents.

The Florida Attorney General's office says it is reviewing the procedures and protocol of the Tallahassee police.

"I'm calling her a criminal," Tallahassee police chief Dennis Jones told 20/20, who maintains that both drug dealers and drug users are considered criminals to his department.

Under Florida law, possession of more than 20 grams of marijuana is a felony.

The Tallahassee police chief says Rachel was suspected of selling drugs and she was rightly treated as a criminal.

"That's my job as a police chief to find these criminals in our community and take them off the street, to make the proper arrests," Jones told 20/20.

Rachel's case also is raising questions about how police recruit and use informants in undercover operations.

"There need to be some safeguards here," said Block, the Hoffman family lawyer.

The young woman received no training before being sent to an undercover meeting to buy a large amount of drugs and a handgun from two suspects.

Police says Rachel was killed by the very handgun she was supposed to buy.

"I don't think she understood the risk or danger that she was in," said Block.

Rachel was in a drug court diversion program when she became an informant.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: baronmunchiehausen; criminals; donutwatch; jbts; lawsuit; libertarians; munchies; pot; potheadalert; potheads; themunchies; wod; wosd
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To: waiyu

Thou shalt not steal...


41 posted on 07/25/2008 9:43:21 PM PDT by BreezyDog
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To: NoLibZone

EXACTLY right. Until public servants are made to feel personal liability for their abuses, all that happens when a malicious case occurs is that the taxpayers fine themselves—that is, by having the insurance agencies pay out, insurance rates go up, distributing the sins of the government worker upon all taxpayers.


42 posted on 07/25/2008 9:43:35 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Redcoat1982

I have nothing against pot. I don’t use myself, but some of my friends do. Some of them I would rather see smoke weed than drink. But the fact remains that it is illegal, same as robbing a bank. And since you brought up God, I could add that the Bible says to follow man’s law as long as it doesn’t interfere with God’s Law.


43 posted on 07/25/2008 9:45:33 PM PDT by waiyu (Living is the only thing worth dying for.)
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To: BreezyDog

Not legalize, DECRIMINALIZE! There is a difference.


44 posted on 07/25/2008 9:46:13 PM PDT by SkiKnee (It snows, therefore I ski.)
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To: FFranco

see post 43


45 posted on 07/25/2008 9:46:29 PM PDT by waiyu (Living is the only thing worth dying for.)
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To: waiyu

And man’s law can be changed...


46 posted on 07/25/2008 9:47:12 PM PDT by BreezyDog
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To: herewego

didn’t they make alcohol illegal once? something about an amendment?


That’s the point.


47 posted on 07/25/2008 9:47:41 PM PDT by FFranco
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To: ConservaTexan

You have her convicted without trial. Are you sure she was guilty?

When they come for you in the middle of the night and tell you that they are hauling you off to the gulag unless you turn in your friends who are guilty of having dangerous thoughts, do you think they will admit there was no evidence of your crime?

It’s not for the guilty that we operate in this way—it’s to prevent abuse against the innocent.


48 posted on 07/25/2008 9:47:55 PM PDT by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: BreezyDog

Yes it can, but it hasn’t yet.


49 posted on 07/25/2008 9:48:18 PM PDT by waiyu (Living is the only thing worth dying for.)
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To: herewego

Worked out real well too. The legacy of that little experiment is the Mafia and the Kennedy family.....


50 posted on 07/25/2008 9:48:54 PM PDT by Kozak (Anti Shahada: There is no god named Allah, and Muhammed is a false prophet)
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To: dalereed
One, hell over the years I probablu canned 50 usless bastards for using pot.

How did you catch them? On the job?

51 posted on 07/25/2008 9:49:12 PM PDT by dragnet2
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To: waiyu

Peanuts kill more people than pot does.

Both put here by God.

Same goes for bees.

I have nieces and nephews in university, they smoke a bit of pot (I don’t, but I did in university), I counsel them that the most dangerous thing that can happen to them on pot is getting arrested.


52 posted on 07/25/2008 9:49:46 PM PDT by Redcoat1982
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To: dalereed

Like they were smoking on the job? Or you drug tested them and they failed and then you decided they were useless?

I know people who are useless who don’t use pot, that they are useless isn’t a dead giveaway for pot use.


53 posted on 07/25/2008 9:49:53 PM PDT by Mr. Blonde (You ever thought about being weird for a living?)
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To: FFranco

guess i forgot the /s tag.. sorry..


54 posted on 07/25/2008 9:49:55 PM PDT by herewego (Got .45?)
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To: waiyu

Aren’t discussions such as this the harbinger of change?


55 posted on 07/25/2008 9:51:25 PM PDT by BreezyDog
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To: dalereed

You would probably fire a drunk for the same reason. I assume you fire people who use it while at work, which would apply for any drug including alcohol, so trying to single out pot is ridiculous reasoning.


56 posted on 07/25/2008 9:51:33 PM PDT by Force of Truth (Legalize the Constitution)
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To: ConservaTexan
She was a criminal looking to cut a deal to cut time off her punishment.

Tpeople who offer bribes are more guilty than those who accept them, becuase they are initiating corruption.

57 posted on 07/25/2008 9:52:17 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy
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To: Redcoat1982

Ditto. No question. Let the Feds control the growth, rake in the tax dollars, unclog the jails, and mellow everyone out.

Sounds like a plan.


58 posted on 07/25/2008 9:52:23 PM PDT by Eccl 10:2 (Pray for the peace of Jerusalem - Ps 122:6)
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To: Kozak

post 54 please


59 posted on 07/25/2008 9:54:32 PM PDT by herewego (Got .45?)
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To: I see my hands

I didn’t say that something inherent in marijuana use led to this woman’s death. She chose to use drugs, got busted, then died trying to cut a deal to lessen her sentence. Whether it was choosing to use illegal drugs or agreeing to set up the people that sell her illegal drugs, she made a bad choice and died because of it.


60 posted on 07/25/2008 9:54:48 PM PDT by ConservaTexan (February 6, 1911)
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