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California joins big carbon-trade partnership (Cap-and Trade, here we come!)
SFGate.com ^ | 7/24/08 | Matthew Yi

Posted on 07/24/2008 9:20:35 AM PDT by NormsRevenge

California, six other Western states and four Canadian provinces launched plans on Wednesday for one of the world's largest carbon-trading systems, a sweeping effort to cut greenhouse gas emissions that contribute to global warming.

The North American program, like a similar market-based system in Europe, focuses on heavy polluters such as electric utilities, oil refineries and large industrial and commercial facilities.

Environmental groups immediately questioned whether the plan will be tough enough on polluters, while industry groups said the program lacks details.

California officials said the proposal will be an integral part of the Golden State's ambitious goal of reducing greenhouse gas emissions by 30 percent by 2020, as required by the landmark legislation AB32 that the Legislature approved and Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger signed in 2006.

"We very much believe this supports California's own plan to grow the economy and protect the environment," said Linda Adams, secretary of the California Environmental Protection Agency.

The draft plan is a key component of the Western Climate Initiative, a partnership created in February 2007 among the governors of California, Arizona, New Mexico, Oregon and Washington to curb global warming.

The group - which has added Utah and Montana, along with the Canadian provinces of Manitoba, Quebec, British Columbia and Ontario - has set a regional goal to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 15 percent of 2005 levels by 2020.

Under the plan, industries would be required to begin reporting emission levels beginning in 2011 to allow participating governments to agree on the maximum level of emissions for the region when the program begins in 2012.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: ab32; california; capandtrade; carbontrade; climatechange; environment; globalwarming; govwatch; partnership; wci
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1 posted on 07/24/2008 9:20:35 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

I need to print some carbon credits and get in on this! hehe


2 posted on 07/24/2008 9:22:48 AM PDT by DonaldC
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To: NormsRevenge

Idiots!

Last business out, turn out the lights. Oh, but the Californians will still expect energy to be effortlessly made somewhere else and magically transferred at no cost by pixie dust to their homes and cars.


3 posted on 07/24/2008 9:23:52 AM PDT by henkster (Politics is the art of telling a bigger and more believable lie more often than your opponent)
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To: NormsRevenge

“Environmental groups immediately questioned whether the plan will be tough enough on polluters....”

Yes, by all means keep punishing productive businesses California bureaucrat MFers.

Atlas Shrugged......it can’t be too far away.


4 posted on 07/24/2008 9:24:29 AM PDT by EyeGuy
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To: henkster

No wonder Toyota is moving to Mississippi!


5 posted on 07/24/2008 9:24:48 AM PDT by griswold3 (Al qaeda is guilty of hirabah (war against society) Penalty is death.)
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To: griswold3

Ironically, VW went to Chattanooga because of how green they are, or so I heard. I was surprised to hear that but much of its heavy industry is closed now. I guess Chattanooga has battery powered buses or something and that sealed the deal.


6 posted on 07/24/2008 9:26:11 AM PDT by DonaldC
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To: NormsRevenge

As if California didn’t have enough reasons for business to flee from the state.


7 posted on 07/24/2008 9:27:03 AM PDT by Slapshot68
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To: NormsRevenge
Assuming the rest of us can escape the clutches of carbon trading schemes, these states need to be administratively sealed off to localize the effects on energy supply costs, cost of living, taxes and standard of living from more rational parts of the world. (dream off/)
8 posted on 07/24/2008 9:27:44 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: NormsRevenge

will the last business to leave california please turn off the lights. wait, there won’t be any lights left to turn off.


9 posted on 07/24/2008 9:28:58 AM PDT by driftdiver (No More Obama - The corruption hasnÂ’t changed despite all our hopes.)
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To: henkster
Last business out, turn out the lights.

No kidding. Californian is so broke right now that they are paying all the gubbermit-affirmative action "workers" $6.55 minimum wage till they get another deficit “budget” passed. And they are going off into lala land with a cap and trade tax?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!


10 posted on 07/24/2008 9:30:31 AM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: NormsRevenge

It’s all just another way to TAX us. When does the revolution start?


11 posted on 07/24/2008 9:31:07 AM PDT by devistate one four (H I V Homophobia Is Vindicated)
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To: NormsRevenge

Somebody’s going to make millions from this scam. Future scandal in the making.


12 posted on 07/24/2008 9:31:12 AM PDT by Clara Lou (McCain is better than Obama any day.)
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To: NormsRevenge
North America will again demonstrate how they can willingly, nay eagerly, hamstring their economies and businesses while simultaneously handing over cash buying carbon credits to almost all other countries (China, Russia, India, Taiwan, etc.) who will most certainly never participate in this grand fools scam.
13 posted on 07/24/2008 9:32:50 AM PDT by Obadiah (I remember when the climate never changed, then Bush stole the election.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Cap and Trade, as we know it, is scary, very scary.OTOH, I have been studying it lately. I find that it can be a good thing if not forced, and not controlled by the U.N., which it currently is.

I see ways to make money for myself, and screw the libs in the process.

P.S. I’m in the Transportation industry. {winky}


14 posted on 07/24/2008 9:33:12 AM PDT by papasmurf (This space left blank intentionly.)
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To: DonaldC
Can I use these as currency/credits?
15 posted on 07/24/2008 9:34:38 AM PDT by davidlachnicht ("IF WE'RE ALL TO BE TARGETS, THEN WE ALL MUST BE SOLDIERS.")
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To: henkster

Know this and know it for a certainty: Carbon dioxide is plant food. Without it, plants wither and die. It is our OBLIGATION to increase carbon dioxide to the degree we are able, to aid our plant life on this planet to grow and extend to its maximum limit.

There is no climate “cure”. We rely on carbon-based fuel, and the excess carbon dioxide merely goes into accelerated and extended plant growth. So long as we encourage plant growth at every juncture, by cultivation and land management, the content of carbon dioxide shall never rise above about 0.05% concentration in the atmosphere.

Plants require carbon dioxide to conduct photosynthesis, and greenhouses may enrich their atmospheres with additional CO2 to boost plant growth, since its low present-day atmosphere concentration is just above the “suffocation” level for green plants. A photosynthesis-related drop in carbon dioxide concentration in a greenhouse compartment can kill green plants.


16 posted on 07/24/2008 9:40:07 AM PDT by alloysteel (Are Democrats truly "better angels"? They are lousy stewards for America.)
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To: NormsRevenge
The cuts will never happen. What no one noticed is all the signatories to the pact will be out of offfice by the time its due to take effect.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

17 posted on 07/24/2008 9:50:25 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: TLI

I’m with you there. With the US CONgress bailing out everything that breathes, we’ll be bailing out Kalifornication long before 2011.


18 posted on 07/24/2008 9:54:01 AM PDT by nicola_tesla ("Life is Tough... It's Worse When You're Stupid".... John Wayne)
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To: goldstategop

Was this ever about the ‘environment’? I think it was all to do w/ power and money...for a select few.


19 posted on 07/24/2008 9:57:21 AM PDT by 556x45
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To: NormsRevenge

I want to put a bullet in anybody I hear calling this a ‘market based’ system. THERE IS NO MARKET FOR CARBON!!!! It’s freaking EVERYWHERE in the freaking UNIVERSE!!!!!

In order to have a ‘market’ you need to have a ‘commodity’ which has a somewhat limited value (otherwise, nobody would buy it since they could get it on their own. Think: Air)

Communism ‘created a market’ for toilet paper. People had to wait in line for days to get any. Can’t wait for a ‘market based system’ for CO2 so I can start paying people so that I can exhale after each breathe. Or, maybe, I can get people to pay me NOT to exhale! Better yet, I’ll pay ALGORE not to exhale anymore. For the children, of course.


20 posted on 07/24/2008 9:59:26 AM PDT by bpjam (Drill For Oil or Lose Your Job!! Vote Nov 2008)
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