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Uprising Against the Ethanol Mandate
NY Times ^ | July 23, 2008 | DAVID STREITFELD

Posted on 07/23/2008 7:25:11 PM PDT by neverdem

The ethanol industry, until recently a golden child that got favorable treatment from Washington, is facing a critical decision on its future.

Gov. Rick Perry of Texas is asking the Environmental Protection Agency to temporarily waive regulations requiring the oil industry to blend ever-increasing amounts of ethanol into gasoline. A decision is expected in the next few weeks.

Mr. Perry says the billions of bushels of corn being used to produce all that mandated ethanol would be better suited as livestock feed than as fuel.

Feed prices have soared in the last two years as fuel has begun competing with food for cropland.

“When you find yourself in a hole, you have to quit digging,” Mr. Perry said in an interview. “And we are in a hole.”

His request for an emergency waiver cutting the ethanol mandate to 4.5 billion gallons, from the 9 billion gallons required this year and the 10.5 billion required in 2009, is backed by a coalition of food, livestock and environmental groups.

Farmers and ethanol and other biofuel producers are lobbying to keep the existing mandates.

“This is a critically important decision that will determine the future of biofuels in this country,” said Brent Erickson, a lobbyist at the Biotechnology Industry Organization, which supports the ethanol mandates. “There will be a dramatic reaction from whoever loses.”

The E.P.A. received 15,000 public comments on the Texas proposal, roughly split between those in favor and those against...

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Senator Charles Grassley, Republican of Iowa, accused the Grocery Manufacturers Association, the group leading the public relations fight against ethanol, of “treasonous” acts...

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Politics/Elections; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: cornlaws; energy; ethanol; foodsupply; inflation; nutsanddolts; proterrorist; shillsforislam; shillsforopec; transportation
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To: pnh102

How much more corn starch should you have in your diet?


41 posted on 07/24/2008 6:34:07 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: mamelukesabre

Go take a flying leap at a rolling donut!

Alcohol is a crappy fuel!


42 posted on 07/24/2008 6:53:31 PM PDT by dalereed (both)
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To: dalereed

is not


43 posted on 07/24/2008 7:04:45 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre

It screwed up California gas and lowered milage and i’m assuming you have never raced with it and from your page it sounds like you’re in Canada, STAY THERE AND DON’T INFECT CALIFORNIA!

I’ve run it in midgets, sprints, champ cars, and unlimited hydros and it’s unfit for street use!


44 posted on 07/24/2008 7:14:01 PM PDT by dalereed (both)
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To: neverdem
bumper-sticker
 
 

Contact your Congress critters to let them know that you are tired of high gas prices.

U. S. Senate

U. S. House of Representatives

45 posted on 07/24/2008 7:19:53 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: dalereed; mamelukesabre

So how do you argue with that logic? It’s bad because he says so.


46 posted on 07/24/2008 7:41:39 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: neverdem

This article doesn’t go deep enough into the BRIBE paid to Perry to do this. He also strong-armed his alma mater because he didn’t like the results of a study that they’d done.

http://www.chron.com/CDA/archives/archive.mpl?id=2008_4592930


47 posted on 07/24/2008 8:04:43 PM PDT by garandgal
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To: dalereed

What part of my page sounds like canada?

I’m more worried about california infecting the rest of north america...and south as well.


48 posted on 07/24/2008 9:18:45 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: Mr. Lucky

see post 42. THat’s how.


49 posted on 07/24/2008 9:19:55 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: Mr. Lucky

Oops. I meant 43.


50 posted on 07/24/2008 9:20:38 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: rabscuttle385
The only one committing treason is Senator Grassley and his handlers at ADM.

i.e. Senator "Greed" Grassley. Putting dollars ahhead of sense.

51 posted on 07/25/2008 6:44:03 AM PDT by Ron H. (If you don't stand for conservatism then you'll end up with socialism.)
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To: mamelukesabre
Sorry I didn't get back to you earlier. I've been away from FR.

The figures below are not lying. No matter how you slice it, the greater the percentage of oxygen (and indeed hydrogen) that is present in the fuel, the lower the amount of energy available in the fuel. It is nearly akin to that particular carbon already being burned. Compare, especially, Ethanol with Methanol, which has an even greater percentage (by weight, number) of oxygen already combined.

Fuel type MJoules/L MJoules/kg . BTU/Imp.gal . BTU/US.gal
Regular Gasoline 34.8 47 150,100 125,000
Ethanol 23.5 31.1 101,600 84,600
Methanol 17.9 19.9 77,600 64,600
Gasohol (10% EtOH) 33.7 145,200 120,900
Diesel 38.6 166,600 138,700
Aviation gasoline 33.5 46.8 144,400 120,200
Liquified Nat.Gas 25.3 55 109,000 90,800

52 posted on 07/28/2008 9:19:06 PM PDT by AFPhys ((.Praying for President Bush, our troops, their families, and all my American neighbors..))
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To: neverdem
bumper-sticker
 
 

Contact your Congress critters to let them know that you are tired of high gas prices.

U. S. Senate

U. S. House of Representatives

53 posted on 07/28/2008 9:26:18 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: AFPhys

I’m not sure what you are trying to prove. I don’t really care what the BTUs per gallon are. BTUs per pound is slightly useful, but even that is NOT an indicator of engine efficiency or potential power output.

Notice that aviation fuel is less than automotive fuel in your own chart??? Would you care to explain why those dummies in the aviation industry are using an inferior fuel compared to all of us slugs on the ground?/s

The answer is that BTUs per gallon are totally unimportant figures.

Sorry, try again.


54 posted on 07/29/2008 5:22:27 AM PDT by mamelukesabre (Thig crioch air an t-saoghail, ach mairidh gaol 's ceol.)
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