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Why McCain Must Win
canadafreepress.com ^ | 07/19/08 | Bruce Walker

Posted on 07/19/2008 6:29:13 PM PDT by TornadoAlley3

President McCain in 2000 I must be one of the few conservative writers in cyberspace who never feared a McCain presidency. When Senator McCain looked like he might win the Republican nomination in 2000, I asked what, exactly, my friends were so worried about. McCain was honest, like Bush, while Clinton and Gore were steeped in moral slipperiness. McCain was pro-life, like Bush, while Clinton and Gore were pro-abortion. McCain, like Bush, supported a strong military, while Clinton famously “loathed” the military and Gore followed him like a trained poodle. McCain’s ACU (American Conservative Union) voting record is conservative and was even more conservative in 2000. Who did I favor for the nomination in 2000? Bush, because I liked him more and I thought he would win, but was I afraid of a McCain presidency? No, I was afraid that the nation could not survive a third Clinton term. Has anything happened in the last eight years to change my mind? Not, not really. September 11, 2001 has driven all politics since then, even energy (remember how recently gasoline was cheap?) and while I can conceive of McCain handling the war on terror differently, in some ways, than Bush, I cannot see either man being particularly better than the other. Although we are sometimes loath to admit it, McCain appeared more prescience than Bush on Iraq: McCain supported the Surge, asked for the Surge when Bush was reluctant, and McCain was dead right. The Left would have vilified President McCain just as it vilified President Bush and for the same reasons: It wants America to lose all its wars.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; conservatives; democrats; demotivation; despair; election; electionpresident; fear; foreignpolicy; issues; mccain; mccaindemocrat; mccainlist; mccaintruthfile; obama; obamacans; obamacons; rino; rinoalert; rinomadness; war; zombierino
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To: FocusNexus

McCain is not a friend to the GOP.

McCain is not a friend to the Constitution.

McCain could not be trusted as a senator and cannot be trusted as President.

McCain does what is good for McCain first and foremost and that is something you can count on.

Electing McCain will not be good for the country.


101 posted on 07/19/2008 8:14:09 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (I'm a RINO cuz I'm too conservative to be a Republican. McCain is the Conservatives true litmus test)
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To: TornadoAlley3

If people would refuse to accept the false choices shoved at them there is hope.

Go read about Gideon or Joshua. They did not accept the obvious choices and ended up winning.


102 posted on 07/19/2008 8:16:13 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (I'm a RINO cuz I'm too conservative to be a Republican. McCain is the Conservatives true litmus test)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde
So, voting for a candidate because he sucks slightly less than another candidate is the ‘mature’ thing to do?

McCain may suck, but Obama "sucks" much more.

BTW, I’m not planning on voting for Obama, so who does that count for? I have to ask because I didn’t get the Happy Meal with the election vote counter decoder ring like the McCainiacs.

What the heck are you talking about?

103 posted on 07/19/2008 8:16:49 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FocusNexus

Exactly. Barack Hussein Obama represents the far left, Juan appeals to the right-to-left-of-center - that is where the bulk of the votes are. Those on the political margins are on the political margins.


104 posted on 07/19/2008 8:19:13 PM PDT by Baladas ((ABBHO))
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To: Eagle Eye

“Electing McCain will not be good for the country”

BUT Obama will be?!

That’s the choice we have: McCain or Obama.

John McCain Is For Me by Marie Jon’

http://www.crossactionnews.com/articles/view/-john-mccain-is-for-me

“Sorry America, but we can’t afford an Obama presidency. It would be political and social mayhem having a Democrat House, Senate, Supreme Court and Executive branch. For many decades the United States would be held under the sway of a very unjust, destructive force. Our citizenry would have to deal with the extreme rulings of a Supreme Court gone wild. There would be no more checks and balances.

Liberal judges would change our country’s disposition. Even if Americans were roused from their lethargy and subsequently voted in a Republican president and Congress, it would be too late. They would not be able to neutralize the highest court of the land.

McCain will be a good steward of our recourses. Under his leadership, nuclear power and newly developed oil fields will become realities. There will be many different energy strategies employed to help our nation back on its feet.

The sober, sound minds of our country will understand who is best qualified to lead the greatest nation in the world. Let’s pray there are enough of them. Here, there is no doubt. John McCain is for me.”


105 posted on 07/19/2008 8:21:42 PM PDT by FocusNexus ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Ron Jeremy

The “lesser of two evils” meme (and its brother “...is still evil”) has always struck me as being over the top.

In my experience (watching elections since 1976 and participating since 1984), no Republican candidate (and, tell the truth and shame the devil, not many Democrats) has been “evil”.

I believe it was Reagan who said something like “just because I only agree with someone 3/4 of the time does not make him 1/4 my enemy.”

Someone else said “the perfect is the enemy of the acceptable.”

I voted for my first choice, FDT, in my state’s primary (before he quit...all to soon, to my mind). He was imperfect; he was acceptable. Others then running were likewise imperfect but acceptable.

I cannot vote in another primary; so, as in about half the presidential elections I have voted in, I will now have to vote not for the lesser of evils, but for the least imperfect.

No matter who it is, that one will be identified by the letter “R”.

I’ve dealt with this same problem in 1996 and 2008.
(Been participating since 1984; ‘84, ‘88, ‘92, 2000, and 2004 were all no-brainers to me.)

In each case, my thought was to vote for my principles in the primaries, but against my enemies in the generals.

(I do not use the word enemies lightly. I would rather support someone I agree with a third of the time than one I believe intends my country— as I know it— actual harm...one who doesn’t even mean well.)

Results? I did not contribute, by vote or silence, to BJC’s second term; I will not contribute, by vote or silence, to BHO’s first.


106 posted on 07/19/2008 8:21:55 PM PDT by ExGeeEye (I'm Right Guard, here to prevent B.O.)
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To: FreeReign

“McCain may suck, but Obama “sucks” much more.”

Change the word “much” to the word “slightly” and you might have something.


107 posted on 07/19/2008 8:22:27 PM PDT by Grunthor (I see you are playing stupid again. Looks like you're winning too.)
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To: Cyber Liberty; Squantos; Gilbo_3
Gosh Cyber! What's gotten into you?! Don't you know we're supposed to be good little sheep and go the way the GOP has herded us! You need to get with the program! Stop digging up all the negativity. The "sunshine pumpers" and the "vote for who sucks less" crowd just can't take it! They don't have the courage, fortitude, or the resources to tell the GOP to go to hell and let them know that they'll support a third party! You're frightening them when you tell them that people like you are going to ruin their RINOs chances of pretending to represent their values from the Executive Office!

Now seriously....I've been avoiding these threads lately because nothing productive happens in them. I get tired of being accused of everything from a troll, to an Obama supporter. Since checking back in on this thread I see that fear is still the ruling factor of the GOP sheeple and that there's no shortage of name callers. That's too bad, because we're still dead serious and they're still wasting time being afraid and calling names.

Cowards really get under my skin. But cowards who are going to do things for my own good are despicable. They'll only realize what they've done about a year after they've done it...that is IF they get away with it at all, because I personally believe that the GOP has lost its core base of support and they simply don't realize it yet. Has nobody noticed that these threads were a lot more animated back about the time that Duncan Hunter dropped off the radar? Those of us who declared that we wouldn't support the GOP because of what they've become just don't publicize it anymore, but we haven't changed our minds.

The entire situation would be funny if it just weren't. About 500 people, (U.S. Congress and Senate) all of who swore to uphold and defend the United States Constitution, are responsible for the degradation of this nation, and yet people think that the President and VP are going to turn those greedy, self serving bastards around by sheer force of will? Give me a freaking break! Fear has not only made them irrational, but stupid as well!

Anyway...give em hell. We're all still here...just can't hardly stand to be in these types of threads anymore. But we're still here. :-)
108 posted on 07/19/2008 8:23:18 PM PDT by hiredhand
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To: Grunthor
McCain may suck, but Obama “sucks” much more.

Change the word “much” to the word “slightly” and you might have something.

No not at all.

Obama is not "slighlty" worse than McCain. McCain is about 60% conservative. Obama is 0% conservative.

As I said, McCain may suck, but Obama “sucks” much more.

109 posted on 07/19/2008 8:26:41 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FocusNexus
That’s the choice we have: McCain or Obama.

Horse crap.

Hiding behind 'reality' is the admission of the fear of failing to do something bold.

It won't take a superstar candidate to beat obama, just someone with better character and reputation than McCain.

Unless, of course, you secretly enjoy voting for someone who holds you in contempt and will screw you over the first chance he gets.

110 posted on 07/19/2008 8:28:19 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (I'm a RINO cuz I'm too conservative to be a Republican. McCain is the Conservatives true litmus test)
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To: Eagle Eye

“Hiding behind ‘reality’ is the admission of the fear of failing to do something bold.”

Jumping off a cliff may be bold, but it is also STUPID.

In this case, it won’t only kill the person who is doing it, but also puts all the rest of us in serious danger in every respect, when, as a result, Obama becomes president.


111 posted on 07/19/2008 8:32:35 PM PDT by FocusNexus ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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112 posted on 07/19/2008 8:37:09 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 ("When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat." Ronald Reagan)
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To: Eagle Eye

Just curious. What “bold” strategy are you going to initiate which will prevent either McCain or Obama from becoming POTUS?
A massive Write-in campaign for Fred Thompson? Good luck.


113 posted on 07/19/2008 8:37:10 PM PDT by Zman516 (socialists & muslims -- satan's useful idiots.)
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To: hiredhand

“Those of us who declared that we wouldn’t support the GOP because of what they’ve become just don’t publicize it anymore, but we haven’t changed our minds.”

And those who didn’t support the GOP in 1992, and voted for Ross Perot gave us 8 years of Clinton. An Obama presidency will be an unmitigated catastrophy for the country, because he will have a Dem majority in Congress and between them they will also insert a leftist majority into the Courts, thus controlling all three branches of the government.

Nobody, who will be complicit in this, by voting third party or not voting, has the right to call themselves a conservative.


114 posted on 07/19/2008 8:37:24 PM PDT by FocusNexus ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: FocusNexus

You can’t trust McCain to do anything other than what will benefit McCain.

You’ll end up being coerced into supporting initiatives that you’ll detest and supporting ideas you’d love to oppose.

And then in 4 years when he wants to run again, you’ll have no choice but to support him then again, too.

Sux to sell your soul, doesn’t it?


115 posted on 07/19/2008 8:39:07 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (I'm a RINO cuz I'm too conservative to be a Republican. McCain is the Conservatives true litmus test)
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To: Eagle Eye

You’re counting on some miracle that McCain won’t be the nominee aren’t you.. What’s the point of discussing this stuff with anyone that thinks one of those 2 isn’t going to win?

Or do you honestly think a write-in election can happen?


116 posted on 07/19/2008 8:39:33 PM PDT by MartinStyles
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To: TornadoAlley3

My gosh, how I can’t stand the thought of Obama in the White House. I feel almost as demoralized by the whole procedure as when Clinton won the first time.

My only question is, “What the...!?!”

I’d love to feel all touchy-feely about McCain, but I’ve swallowed my tongue every time he’s shown up on the television with an “R” next to his name, while he holds hands with Kennedy and the rest of the “D’s”, talking down to conservatives everywhere.

If I thought for one minute the man had changed his liberal-lovin’ ways I’d camp out at the polls until the morning they opened and be the first in line to mark the big “R” on the ballot... but I’m afraid he doesn’t breathe except it be for political expediency.

I wish I felt differently, but my memory is not that short.


117 posted on 07/19/2008 8:39:54 PM PDT by Gordon Greene (Gordon Greene - www.fracturedrepublic.com)
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To: FocusNexus
And those who didn’t support the GOP in 1992, and voted for Ross Perot gave us 8 years of Clinton.

That is simply not true.

The fact is that Dole was unable to earn enough votes to beat Clinton.

But funny thing is that you are supporting the same man that helped destroy the GOP majority.

How the hell do you justify that?

118 posted on 07/19/2008 8:41:25 PM PDT by Eagle Eye (I'm a RINO cuz I'm too conservative to be a Republican. McCain is the Conservatives true litmus test)
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To: hiredhand; indylindy; calcowgirl; Ingtar; djsherin; Sunnyflorida; SoConPubbie; Sybeck1; Ricebug; ...
Anyway...give em hell. We're all still here...just can't hardly stand to be in these types of threads anymore. But we're still here. :-)

BTTT!

119 posted on 07/19/2008 8:43:06 PM PDT by rabscuttle385 ("When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat." Ronald Reagan)
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To: FocusNexus
Don't you ever feel like you're being stampeded? In politics, fear is a lousy motivator.

I am one who is tired of voting against people, I want to vote for somebody. There isn't anybody this go 'round, that's all...

120 posted on 07/19/2008 8:43:53 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (Who would McQueeg rather have mad at him: You or the liberals?)
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