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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EEstor

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZENN

"The cityZENN is planned to be a fully certified, highway capable vehicle with a top speed of 125 kilometres per hour (78 mph) and a range of 400 kilometres (250 mi). Powered by EEStor, the cityZENN will be rechargeable in less than 5 minutes, feature operating costs 1/10th of a typical internal combustion engine vehicle and be 100% emission-free at the point of use. The Zero Emission, No Noise cityZENN will be designed to meet the transportation requirements of a large percentage of drivers worldwide. [3] It is due to be launched in Fall 2009. Also according to Ian Clifford a normal household outlet with 110 volt supply can fully charge the EESTor powered CityZENN in 4 hours for a 250 miles (400 km) range and a normal household outlet with 220 volt supply can fully charge the EESTor powered CityZENN in 2 hours for a 250 miles (400 km) range. CityZENN target price is around $25000 - $30000.[4]"

http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/7033406/description.html

The above link is long and dry and very technical. If this is not a hoax, it sounds HUGE! Why is there no media coverage?

1 posted on 07/19/2008 2:47:22 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre

bfl


2 posted on 07/19/2008 2:49:55 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: decimon

heard of this?


3 posted on 07/19/2008 2:51:18 PM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: mamelukesabre

The best question is how did Detroit get left out of this one... Every little Ma/Pa store could have its own five-minute charger so that gas stations might ultimately be eliminated but you’d still need the electricity to run America’s motor vehicles and likely have to start building reactors so that dems would still oppose it.


4 posted on 07/19/2008 2:53:30 PM PDT by wendy1946
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To: mamelukesabre

Someone wants that $300 million prize money McCain promised for a better battery.


6 posted on 07/19/2008 2:55:06 PM PDT by TomGuy
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To: mamelukesabre

I can’t wait till we try to figure out how to recycle or dispose of all these batteries.


7 posted on 07/19/2008 2:57:33 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (I voted Republican because no Conservatives were running.)
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To: mamelukesabre

They probably have a small capacitor working. Let’s see them scale it up to the size they need and make is safe.


8 posted on 07/19/2008 2:57:41 PM PDT by flyfree
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To: mamelukesabre
Here is one thread.
9 posted on 07/19/2008 2:58:08 PM PDT by decimon
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To: mamelukesabre
Here's your wiki hot link for the battery ...

And your wiki hotlink for the car

10 posted on 07/19/2008 3:00:40 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: mamelukesabre

Lockhead has signed on for exclusive rights to use the capacitors for military and homeland defense uses.

So...is it a hoax? No. Is it likely to be as they desire, a mass produced easy to use capacitor system that will power the cars of the future? Eh; doubt it from how it looks right now. I’ve never yet seen a company unable to produce a technological example prior to being able to mass produce the same item. Since they won’t produce one for previews (and mind, if Zenn had one of these puppies to demonstrate, orders would be /flying/ to them right now...), my guess is that we’ll see this on Lockhead’s financial statements in ten years.


12 posted on 07/19/2008 3:01:56 PM PDT by kingu (Party for rent - conservative opinions not required.)
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To: mamelukesabre

The patent number does not come up on a search at USPTO.GOV which is the address of US Patent and Trademark office.


16 posted on 07/19/2008 3:07:16 PM PDT by mountainlion (Concerned Conservative.)
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To: mamelukesabre
a normal household outlet with 110 volt supply can fully charge the EESTor powered CityZENN in 4 hours for a 250 miles (400 km) range

Somebody tell me what's wrong with this math:

A "normal household outlet" providing 20 amps at 110 volts gives us a maximum of 2200 watts, which is the equivalent of about 3 horsepower. It takes 4 hours to charge the car, and at 60 mph it takes 4 hours to drive 250 miles, which discharges the car. Therefore during the drive, the motors can provide no more than 3 horsepower. This for $25,000 to $30,000.


18 posted on 07/19/2008 3:11:40 PM PDT by Nick Danger (www.swiftvets.com)
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To: mamelukesabre

What is the source of electrical power used to recharge these guys?


19 posted on 07/19/2008 3:11:45 PM PDT by Archie Bunker on steroids (The Cold War; trillions of dollars over 45 years to protect our country from what we have become)
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To: mamelukesabre; doug from upland; NormsRevenge

Ping


24 posted on 07/19/2008 3:16:12 PM PDT by The Spirit Of Allegiance (Public Employees: Honor Your Oaths! Defend the Constitution from Enemies--Foreign and Domestic!)
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To: mamelukesabre

They will have to put some kind of noisemaker on the vehicle. Maybe baseball cards in the spokes.


25 posted on 07/19/2008 3:17:19 PM PDT by RightWhale (I will veto each and every beer)
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To: mamelukesabre

No such patent number.

FRAUD, HOAX, LIE,


28 posted on 07/19/2008 3:25:02 PM PDT by mountainlion (Concerned Conservative.)
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To: mamelukesabre

> Why is there no media coverage?

Since when does the media cover anything that doesn’t
forward their agendas?

Anyway, if this is for real (and even the ever iffy Wiki
has doubts), the energy density is only 10% of gasoline’s.


29 posted on 07/19/2008 3:28:42 PM PDT by Boundless (Legacy Media is hazardous to your mental health)
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To: mamelukesabre

I have heard of attempts to use slow leak capacitors as batteies

controlled, slow leak, slow discharge, like a battery


31 posted on 07/19/2008 3:36:11 PM PDT by RaceBannon (Innocent until proven guilty; The Pendleton 8: We are not going down without a fight)
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To: mamelukesabre

Press Release Source: Altair Nanotechnologies

Altair Nanotechnologies (NASDAQ: ALTI) Announces Successful Grid Interconnection and Operation of Two-Megawatt Battery System
Tuesday July 8, 7:00 am ET

Read all about it

http://biz.yahoo.com/iw/080708/0413723.html


32 posted on 07/19/2008 3:37:21 PM PDT by dascallie
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To: mamelukesabre

Considering the cute names and the fact that pretty much all these claims are scams, I’m going to say it’s a scam.


33 posted on 07/19/2008 3:38:02 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: mamelukesabre

The technology is backed by some respectible names. The biggest problem is that they are about two years late in promised delivery deadlines.

The are experts in the field that swear a capacitor of this density is imposible but there are always established experts that claim what they cannot do is imposible.

At this point, I am dubious but I would love to see this technology work.

Keep in mind, the range they give is with the car traveling at about 30 mph. Actual range will be substantially less.

The cool thing is you could make a serial hybrid using a very small turbo diesel engine and a small supercapacitor that would drive like a supercar and get miliage better than the smallest econobox.


35 posted on 07/19/2008 3:52:58 PM PDT by dangerdoc (dangerdoc (not actually dangerous any more))
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