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The Obama Citizenship Question - - - Have We Been Suckered In By Hillary And The DNC?
a long night of thought | MB26

Posted on 07/13/2008 8:40:29 AM PDT by MindBender26

The Obama Citizenship Question - - - Have We Been Suckered In By Hillary And The DNC?

Conservatives have been arguing about Obama possibly not being constitutionally qualified to be President. Some claim he is not a “natural born citizen.” Besides distracting us from the real issue of teaching America what a disaster an Obama presidency would be, we have been focused on this issue.

But stop and think for a moment. Even if we are right, have we been doing Hillary’s work for her?

Step back for a moment and consider some Realpolitics.

Remember, we Conservatives do not elect the President. Neither do the hard line Dems. Regardless of who is the candidate, about 40% of the public will vote D, and 40% will vote R.

The deciding vote is always cast by that 20% in the middle, the swing voters.

Often female, they are usually late deciders and most importantly, make up their minds on Maslow type issues; Is my world safe? Is my country safe? Is my family economically, militarily and morally safe… and safer with the Republican or Democrat candidate?

Also remember that the Dems have never been a majority party. They often put together winning coalitions of multiple minorities, but they don’t begin with a majority.

Now, move back to July 2007, a year ago. You are an RNC leader. Who do you want to face?

A very savvy, popular female senator, especially popular with the swing voters, or an unknown, inexperienced, untested, Muslim, Black first term senator?

She would get these minority Dem voters in the GENERAL Election (the only one that really counts.)

1) Traditional blue collar Dem-Labor voters (the ones Reagan took away.) 2) The Fuzzy Left vote 3) The Radical vote 4) The Black vote (Blacks would vote for Charles Manson if he were running on the Dem ticket) 5) The Youth vote (although they talk a lot, they don’t vote much in Generals) 6) The Gay-Lesbian vote (she would have that “secret” vote VERY strongly, and get bazillions of dollars from them.) 7) The Soccer Mom vote 8) The “hurt, downtrodden female” vote

In the GENERAL, our Islamic Black Senator would get

1) The Fuzzy Left vote 2) The Radical vote 3) The Black vote 4) The Youth vote

More importantly, all her baggage is known and already factored in to her favorability ratings. On the other hand, most of his baggage is not and they are Maslow type or bread and butter issue negatives.

His negatives are still ready to be used against him. The serious coverage of Tony Rezko not even started. The Rev. Wright is still circling the field of battle, ready to drop huge electoral fear bombs on those swing voters. The Senator’s negatives scare us. His negatives are new, and there are still many yet to come to the public attention.

Sure he makes a great speech… but that wears out. It would certainly wear out long before a General. His victory in the Primaries was dependent in a large part on the anti-Hillary vote, not on the pro-Obama vote.

Even the old pros at the DNC quietly know this. Their current line about Obama’s popularity is… “Up fast, down fast… just like Bill Clinton’s weenie”

But remember, you are a Republican leader trying to get that MIDDLE OF THE ROAD SWING VOTER, (not the FReeper types.)

Now, move forward Mr. Leader, it’s 2008. We got our wish. The Dems did it to themselves again. This is 1972 all over again. The far-left Dem primary voters have chosen a far-left candidate who appeals to the far-left Dems, the ones who vote in the Primaries, but in the long run he has little real long-term critical appeal anywhere else.

Now, how are you going to beat him in the General?

You are going to wrap him in the Reverend Wright and his hate of White people. Every time they breathe, they will think of Wright. Far-left Dems may have "forgiven and forgotten” Rev. Wright… but we’re going to ensure MOR voters NEVER forget him and his hate.

Speaking about hate, we haven’t even started with ACORN and Obama’s work for them yet. How about Black Reparations. How about his ongoing association with murdering terrorists like Bill Ayers, American terrorists who wish they could kill more Americans all over again.

How about “Military experience? Can Obama even spell "G.I.”? Taxes, terrorism, taxes, crime, taxes, government-directed healthcare, radical Supreme Court judges, did I mention higher, crippling taxes…. over and over and over again.

Untested, inexperienced, a tax and spend, radical, Black Muslim… oh, I’m sorry, did I say Black Muslim… Of course, I meant Islamic Black Democrat. I’m so sorry…. (blush)!!!

And we repeat it over and over and over again

In the GENERAL, he is so much easier to beat than the Hildabeast…. and thank goodness she lost the Primaries.

There is no way she and Bill could pull some political shenanigans and get the nomination now without rioting in the streets… (Chicago 1968 all over again, which guaranteed the Nixon win.)

But wait… If somehow Obama is found to be legally disqualified, who else could they turn to? The Hildabeast of course! Now she is tanned, rested and ready… she never officially dropped out of the race. And it wouldn’t be her who got poor Mr. Obama thrown out of the race. It would be those nasty Republicans and Conservatives!!!

All of a sudden, Obama wouldn’t be the Messiah anymore, but Hillary would be “Our Lady of Virginal Wonderfulness”

Think of it like a Super Bowl. The primaries were the regular season and the playoffs to decide who pays in the Big Game. The Big Game (the General election, the only one that really counts) hasn’t started yet! The MOR voters are on summer break. They won’t get really interested in politics until mid-September. As FReepers, we’re interested in politics and elections all the time, because we are interested in the long term future of our country,,, but not the Sheeple. For the Sheeple, the primaries are over and it’s summertime, kids at the beach or pool, days off, etc.

The only reason there is any attention is because the media is driving it for ratings, because with Iraq settling down, they don’t have anything else to talk about, and politics drives ratings.

But in the world of Realpolitics, in the world of political reality, in the area of what will matter a year from now, we’re still in the pre-game show!

The points don’t count yet.

So, lay off the citizenship thing, at least for now. Let’s make sure Obama gets the nomination, then beat him during the General, on a hundred real issues!

Let’s not get him out now while they can still run in a substitute. Keep the citizenship thing in our quiver, so if by some strange reason Obama won, we can use it then, when it counts, on the offhand chance it is real.

Stop doing Hillary’s work for her. Let’s not let this citizenship thing become Operation Chaos running three month too long. If he goes out now, we get Hillary! We may hate her, but the Sheeple do not!

Don’t do Hillary and Bill’s Rovearian work for them, We want Obama… on their side, as their public face, image and candidate in the General!


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In talking to old DNC contacts in DC, they handled the citizenship thng way too casually, as if they wanted to distance themselves from it, but not play it down.

I wondered why.

1 posted on 07/13/2008 8:40:29 AM PDT by MindBender26
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To: MindBender26

I have considered becoming a swing voter. I would like to be pandered to so, that I could play hard to get.


2 posted on 07/13/2008 8:42:53 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (I voted Republican because no Conservatives were running.)
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To: MindBender26

I simply don’t agree that anyone has been “too focused” on the brith certificate issue. It’s one of many issues and Obama is subject to attack on it until he produces his birth certificate. Whether this somehow helps the Clintons or not means nothing.


3 posted on 07/13/2008 8:43:54 AM PDT by PaleoBob
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To: PaleoBob

>>> Whether this somehow helps the Clintons or not means nothing.

You are kidding, are you not? You are willing to participate in something that benefits the Clintons?


4 posted on 07/13/2008 8:46:08 AM PDT by MindBender26 (Leftists stop arguing when they see your patriotism, your logic, your CAR-15 and your block of C4.)
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To: MindBender26

I would not call it being “suckered in”. This was an issue created by the Hillary backers and not the Republicans.


5 posted on 07/13/2008 8:47:36 AM PDT by TennTuxedo
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To: TennTuxedo

>>>> I would not call it being “suckered in”. This was an issue created by the Hillary backers and not the Republicans.

Yes, they opened the issue, but now we are the ones running with it... and they are very glad to let us do so.


6 posted on 07/13/2008 8:49:30 AM PDT by MindBender26 (Leftists stop arguing when they see your patriotism, your logic, your CAR-15 and your block of C4.)
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To: MindBender26

This is CLINTONS out there. For the Democrats O’Bama’s grip on the nomination isn’t tight until November. And maybe not then.


7 posted on 07/13/2008 8:52:58 AM PDT by arthurus
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To: PaleoBob

This is the Swift Boat issue/Training Records issue all over again. Forged paper or tenaciously hidden paper.


8 posted on 07/13/2008 8:54:55 AM PDT by arthurus
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To: arthurus

If it is, pray it is not proven until after November.


9 posted on 07/13/2008 8:59:10 AM PDT by MindBender26 (Leftists stop arguing when they see your patriotism, your logic, your CAR-15 and your block of C4.)
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If the RNC has to resort to “we dont think Obama is a natural born citizen”....this election is over. Means pretty much the RNC knows McCain was a bad candidate...and cant beat Obamster on the issues.

This is sad....but what happens when you do not run a real conservative


10 posted on 07/13/2008 9:04:18 AM PDT by UCFRoadWarrior (John McCain Wants To Re-Educate...er Re-Train Me)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

The article pretty much says that the FR vote is OWNED by the GOP.

Owned.

Yep. Owned.

The GOP OWNS the FR vote.

Except for a few of us who will actually require a candidate to earn it.

If that is being pandered to, oh well.


11 posted on 07/13/2008 9:06:08 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (I'm a RINO cuz I'm too conservative to be a Republican. McCain is the Conservatives true litmus test)
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To: MindBender26
He is a slimy, narcissistic socialist. ‘Nuff said.
12 posted on 07/13/2008 9:07:18 AM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Eagle Eye

You’re taking my comment the wrong way. But that is your right.


13 posted on 07/13/2008 9:07:50 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (I voted Republican because no Conservatives were running.)
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To: MindBender26
How about, we expose him, and Hillary gets the blame?

When do we get to see his real birth certificate?

Where was he born?

How come his parents never married?

As a Muslim, will he protect the rights of Christians?

As an immigrant, will he protect the rights of American citizens?

14 posted on 07/13/2008 9:08:58 AM PDT by Ratblaster ("White folks greed runs a world in need" B Hussein Obama The Muslim Magic Negro)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior
“If the RNC has to resort to “we dont think Obama is a natural born citizen”....this election is over.”

That's not the point....drip, drip, drip.

15 posted on 07/13/2008 9:11:26 AM PDT by Ratblaster ("White folks greed runs a world in need" B Hussein Obama The Muslim Magic Negro)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior

Actually we haven’t had a real conservative since Reagan. I’m tired of voting for the LESS LIBERAL candidate but I’ll have to do just that again.


16 posted on 07/13/2008 9:12:43 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (I voted Republican because no Conservatives were running.)
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To: MindBender26
"Conservatives have been arguing about Obama possibly not being constitutionally qualified to be President."

No conservatives have not been arguing that.  People with an abundant supply of tin foil, who lean conservative have been claiming it. (I reserve the term arguing to mean weighing the  pros and cons by giving evidence and reason which isn't happening in these threads.) 
I am a conservative and I think this subject is bull.
17 posted on 07/13/2008 9:19:47 AM PDT by HawaiianGecko
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To: Conspiracy Guy

My apologies!


18 posted on 07/13/2008 9:20:32 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (I'm a RINO cuz I'm too conservative to be a Republican. McCain is the Conservatives true litmus test)
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To: MindBender26

walk, chew gum. They can be done simultaneously.


19 posted on 07/13/2008 9:21:28 AM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: MindBender26
The senator, left, chats with former President Bill Clinton. Obama's wife, Michelle, is at right. (Photo: Courtesy of David Katz) http://www.cbsnews.com/elements/2007/02/09/60minutes/photoessay2455502.shtml
20 posted on 07/13/2008 9:21:58 AM PDT by BARLF
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