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Phil Gramm Is Right
Washington Post ^ | July 12, 2008 | By Amity Shlaes

Posted on 07/11/2008 10:01:35 PM PDT by Kleebo151

Gramm was right about the recession and stood by his recession comments on Thursday. A recession is two consecutive quarters in which the economy shrinks, and last quarter it grew. But no matter. Voters feel they are in a recession, and so they are, at least according to Campaign Econ.

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TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 2008; economy; issues; mccain; philgramm; recession; wefeel; whiners
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This is what Gramm's critics have ignored, deliberately or not: We are not in a recession, yet several news outlets have suggested we are in one without evidence to back up their claims.
1 posted on 07/11/2008 10:01:35 PM PDT by Kleebo151
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To: Kleebo151

You cannot speak the truth and be in politics. You have to suck up to the media and everyone who complains about every little thing. Can’t offend anybody donchano. We need some people like Sheriff Joe from Arizona, but he would get skewered by the MSM.


2 posted on 07/11/2008 10:03:26 PM PDT by purpleraine
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To: Kleebo151
We are not in a recession, yet several news outlets propaganda organs have suggested we are in one without evidence to back up their claims.
3 posted on 07/11/2008 10:04:33 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative (Drill Here. Drill Now. Pay Less.)
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To: Kleebo151
Voters feel they are in a recession,

A lot of FEELING going on here!

4 posted on 07/11/2008 10:09:37 PM PDT by Mark (Don't argue with my posts. I typed while under sniper fire..)
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To: Kleebo151
Went out to grab a restaurant dinner tonight in recession-infested, gas-gouged, housing-depressed Southern California. At 6:15 p.m., there was not a lot of parking at a new shopping center, and two restaurants we stepped into had 1.5 hour waits. The whole shopping center was packed.

Where's the intrepid TV journalist doing man-on-the-street, asking these hordes: Don't you know there's a recession going on??? What are you doing here?

(Note: we ended up going to a favorite, hole-in-the-wall Japanese restaurant in a ho-hum strip mall, and IT was packed, though the wait was 15 minutes. I was glad to see all the restaurants packed.)

5 posted on 07/11/2008 10:10:37 PM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent)
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To: Kleebo151

The news media is in a recession. All their friends and colleagues are facing layoffs, therefore everyone is facing layoffs.

Never mind the factories running on July 4. It was strange passing full employee parking lots during a parade, but the overtime must be nice. Gotta get those draglines and shovels into the tar sands.


6 posted on 07/11/2008 10:11:08 PM PDT by MediaMole
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To: Kleebo151
Gig 'Em Texas A&M Aggies.

TAMU C/O '88

7 posted on 07/11/2008 10:16:00 PM PDT by Trajan88 (www.bullittclub.com)
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To: Trajan88

Howdy!


8 posted on 07/11/2008 10:18:41 PM PDT by andyk
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To: Kleebo151

From Wikipedia,
Gramm often noted in his political campaigns that he had repeated three grades in school but had overcome his academic deficiencies by hard work. In 1967, Gramm received a Ph.D. in economics from the University of Georgia. While at UGA, he was a member of the Phi Kappa Literary Society. After earning his Ph.D., Gramm taught economics for 12 years at Texas A&M University (1967–1978). In addition to teaching, Gramm served as a partner in the economic consulting firm Gramm & Associates (1971–1978).

What we have here is a Mediacession that’s when the media lie to the people for a number of years about a particular subject until the people submit by believing their crap. When their we are losing the Iraq war effort began to crumble they switched tactics and started the Bush Mediacession lie. Phil Gramm is correct in all he said. The mainstream media are now working a new angle to turn all returning service members against President Bush and their country by over hyping PTSD and combat related injuries.


9 posted on 07/11/2008 10:23:22 PM PDT by cquiggy
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To: Kleebo151

Gee, I remember 3 months ago some women “economist” on CNN saying that we were in a recession, and 2 consecutive quarters of negative GDP growth was not the definition for recession. There hasn’t been one quarter on negative growth let alone 2 consecutive quarters. She must have went to the Bill Clinton Sckooool to learn what the meaning of ‘IS’.


10 posted on 07/11/2008 10:24:44 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Kleebo151
He may be technically right, and he may have been making a pun by saying we have a “mental recession” as opposed to a “mental depression”, but he was an idiot to insult the American people for being worried about their financial futures when gas is nearly $5 a gallon and may be on the way to $8 s gallon, the largest international wealth transfer in the history of the world is going from the industrialized nations to OPEC, foreclosures are still going up, peoples’ home values and equity is going down or negative, and the federal government has trillions in long term obligations it cannot realistically pay. To belittle the American people for “whining” is just boneheaded. Gramm has been in politics long enough to know better.
11 posted on 07/11/2008 10:38:07 PM PDT by Hugin (Mecca delenda est!)
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To: andyk
Howdy back at you.

Fighting Farmer football cannot start soon enough... I'm looking forward to the Shermanator regime taking off soon (I expect a national championship in 4-5 years).

12 posted on 07/11/2008 10:38:42 PM PDT by Trajan88 (www.bullittclub.com)
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To: Finny

I see the same thing all the time wherever I travel.

People are a bunch of whiners. If you lose your job, get another. If you lose your house, you probably shouldn’t have been able to get financing in the first place.

People think things are owed to them like health care, etc. This has become a country of people without bootstraps. I suspect that this feeling has been ingrained in people’s heads because they see what the illegals get for free.


13 posted on 07/11/2008 10:41:51 PM PDT by cw35
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To: MediaMole

“The news media is in a recession”

I think you have found the culprit!!


14 posted on 07/11/2008 10:44:01 PM PDT by berdie
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To: cw35
People think things are owed to them like health care, etc. This has become a country of people without bootstraps.

I suspect that this feeling has been ingrained in people’s heads because they see what the illegals and senators get for free.

15 posted on 07/11/2008 10:47:14 PM PDT by Lijahsbubbe
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To: Kleebo151

“A recession is two consecutive quarters in which the economy shrinks”

This ‘definition’ isn’t accurate. Amity Shlaes is allegedly a business reporter and therefore should be able to locate the NBER website where their definition of recession is posted.


16 posted on 07/11/2008 11:07:51 PM PDT by Pelham (Press 1 for English)
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To: purpleraine

We DID have someone like Joe, and his name is either Duncan Hunter SR., Tom Tancredo, or Fred Thompson! Unfortunately, none of them made it, and now the GOP is truly stuck with “pro-amnesty for illegal immigrants and pro-open borders despite saying that he gets it now” John McCain.


17 posted on 07/11/2008 11:11:30 PM PDT by johnthebaptistmoore (Vote for conservatives AT ALL POLITICAL LEVELS! Encourage all others to do the same on November 4!)
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To: Hugin

About 10 years ago Phil Gramm made some comment that convinced me he had no clue about what life is like for the average American. I don’t recall the particulars right this minute, but it was something similar to this latest gaffe.


18 posted on 07/11/2008 11:15:33 PM PDT by Pelham (Press 1 for English)
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To: MediaMole

After looking long and hard at the term “recession”...it just doesn’t work...but then we aren’t in a fantastic period or enjoying our hard-earned paycheck.

There is something wrong here....and its not a recession. The conditions we have today...simply won’t fill the squares for a recession.

I believe...because of the dollar lack of strength, the oil mess, the various banking issues that the majority of us had nothing to do with, and the declining slump in the travel industry (United and the guys aren’t kidding about laying off a significant number of pilots)....that we’ve got a new situation that we’ve never experienced before.

It is curious that we are fighting a “war”...but then on the homefront...it really isn’t something that represents a war. We have fantastic conditions that we didn’t have in 1943/1944. We have people walking around and acting like nothing is going on. We are spending tremendous amounts of money daily to run this operation.

I think on another forum of sorts...we might want to examine the bigger picture here and define a new term to fit our current situation. Economically...there are several very negative and potentially disastrous trends going on (a housing slump for several years is possible if folks can’t secure loans like they used to). A travel slump will occur with hotels, casinos, and vacation spots going through a severe economic time.

There has to be a term that fits this current picture. Its not a recession...but we have to refer to in some fashion.


19 posted on 07/11/2008 11:24:08 PM PDT by pepsionice
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To: Finny
I was at the mall last week buying clothes and I don't think I've ever seen it so crowded there at any other time than Christmas. Sure didn't look like a recession there to me either.
20 posted on 07/11/2008 11:32:18 PM PDT by Hexenhammer
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