Posted on 07/07/2008 8:16:52 PM PDT by markomalley
the existence of gays in the military is disruptive to units
I couldn’t agree more!
Then it would follow that if homos and lesbos can live, shower and bunk with the objects of their sexual desires it is only fair that normal men and women be allowed to live together in co-ed hetero barracks.
Right?
Or should heteros, homos and lesbos all live together in one commingled mass?
Or should they be separated according to which sex they lust after?
Homos would bunk with the normal chicks where they can all sit around giggling and chatting about make up, panties, falsies and studly dudes.
Lesbos would bunk with normal males and they can all sit around scratching themselves, breaking wind, and talking about guns, big V-8's, engine oil and hot chicks.
Oh wow,that solves it for sure.What the hell would some college kid know about unit cohesion?In college you can choose who your room mates are.In the service it is not the case.
The biggest problem with the military and gays is that once the military starts to socially engineer something, it goes 100% overboard. In some cases, like with racial integration, it was probably necessary. In other cases, like trying to convince people that a girl who does 30 push ups in two minutes is as fit (and as valuable in combat) as a guy who does 55, the military goes deep into make believe.
But you have to believe the party line and repeat the party line, or you'll never get promoted, and you'll never be a good Soldier.
Living in Baghdad, I get to watch a lot of AFN. Every other AFN commerical is mushy feel-good liberal talking point. I'm a live and let live guy, but I'm not really down with having to be brainwashed into the pro-gay agenda every time I go to the chow hall. The troops would get it worse, as they'd have mandatory meetings every quarter to explore gay issues, the same way the do with gender and race now.
The racial integration attempts have done a vast amount of good. The gender integration has done some good, insofar as the parts of it that are grounded in reality. Homosexual integration would probably turn off (so to speak) a lot of people who don't care if others are gay, but aren't looking to spend a career in a vocally pro-gay organization.
That last sentence is the key. If homosexuality is allowed in the military, it will have the media and legal authority of military behind it in full force. It will affect everything from promotions to punishment to what words troops are allowed to use.
Michael D. Palm was a gifted educator, musician, athlete, business person, and dear friend to all who knew him. Michael, a staunch supporter of civil rights in the gay community, died of complications from AIDS in Telluride in August 1998. Michael's values reflect those of the Center named in his honor - intellectual curiosity and service.
Pretty close. All military members are periodically tested for HIV. If they test positive...goodbye.
A few points...
The increased probability of blood-borne diseases on the battlefield is a real bad idea. US military members are legendary for risking their own lives to pull a buddy out of the line of fire and literally bathe in the injured member's blood. Do we really want to increase the hazard even more? Do we want soldiers/marines/etc to think twice...thrice...when others are bleeding to death?
Death among gays from HIV is disproportionately higher than for non-gays. Since most die at a relatively early age, it is also a high probability that many will contract HIV while on active duty, then spend the rest of their days in VA hospital suffering a long and very expensive death. Call me cold, but I would much rather see the scarce resources of the VA and what is left of military medical facilities reserved for the combat injured.
As someone said earlier, the military is not a social club. It is deadly serious business. If you want to join the military, then don't be gay. End of story.
I was serving when Clinton attempted to lift the ban on gays. The hostility among military members that I had contact with...was impressive to say the least.
We have worldwide terrorism, $4 and going higher gas, and a very shaky economy, but somehow don’t ask, don’t tell is a major priority.
That would bring a whole new meaning to the joke that submarines are "long, hard, and full of seamen." And I'm not talking about a particularly nice meaning.
Guess what. You can be straight and be HIV positive too.
I say keep the don’t ask, don’t tell. Uphold the fraternization rules and gays should be able to serve.
Being in college and being unfazed by homosexuality is worlds apart from being in the military and having to deal with it in a totally real world manner.
“Make your buddy smile” is a completely different atmosphere than “Dude, you’re invading my space”.
The average life span among homosexual men is about 20 years shorter then heterosexual men. This is because homosexual men are prone to other diseases including “Gay-Bowel Syndrome.”
Michael D. Palm’s values reflect those of the Center named in his honor - he supported queers in everything they desire.
Exactly.
-24 year Navy man stationed on seven different ships.
End “Don’t ask, don’t tell” and watch the “sexual discrimination” and all kinds of other lawsuits start rolling in against the military. The four buffoons on this panel are obviously braindead and have no idea what would lie ahead for the military if their wishes, yes their wishes came true.
The military's not worried about exploding blood flying across the battlefield. They test often for HIV, and have a very good handle on who has what. Anyone deploying that pops positive for HIV during their SRP (medical testing) isn't going into combat. That testing is what reduces the risk, not whether or not gay troops are open or hidden. That whole line of reasoning shows a dim understanding of HIV is transmitted and how the military operates.
(A far, far greater medial concern is contact with bleeding foreign nationals than bleeding American troops.)
If the generals cared about this, you'd hear it. They care about unit cohesion, enlistment/reenlistment rates, and turning the Army into a pro-gay megaphone.
Those brave men... of the Pink Beret.
Barry Goldwater
“We have worldwide terrorism, $4 and going higher gas, and a very shaky economy, but somehow dont ask, dont tell is a major priority.”
“don’t ask don’t tell” is working because the gays still can’t flaunt it. Serving openly is something completely different. I remember when don’t ask don’t tell was made policy and I said then that it won’t be enough for the gay activists. That it was only a matter of time before they’d want to be completely out in the open and accepted in the military. They won’t be happy until they are living in base housing units with their adopted children and going to squadron functions holding hands. In which case the traditional, heterosexuals will leave the military en masse and not join in the first place.
Haven’t homosexuals been in the military forever?
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